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Old Latin Music Source
Posted by Voco
1/3/2013  10:30:00 PM
I am trying to buy the CD "Latin Mix 1" by Casa Musica. It was published years ago and my usual sources dont sell it any longer. I am particularly interested in the following song, which I believe is on that CD:
Artist: Guadalupe Pineda
Song: Puede Fallar
Dance: Rumba

Can anyone suggest a source to buy that CD or download the song?
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by waynelee
1/4/2013  7:10:00 AM
Is this the one (YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_QNTz9c_I

Google also says it's on iTunes.
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by Voco
1/4/2013  11:22:00 PM
Attn.: Waynelee

Thanks for your comments.

Yes, that is the song. However, I need it in a format which allows me to manipulate the music with Sound Forge and the iTunes format does allow me to do that. Furthermore, I dont know how to capture the sound from the YouTube version. That is why I am trying to find the song on the original published CD. Most music sellers have the Casa Musica Latin Mix from #3 up, but this is on #1.

By the way, what is your opinion of the song? (They used to play it at competitions.)
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by waynelee
1/5/2013  7:50:00 AM
The hardest part of a specific music search is finding the song. Once it is located, there are many methods to convert it to any format you wish. Since the music is located, now how to convert it.

For example, if you use Firefox for your browser, there is a plug-in for Firefox that allows for "one click" downloads from YouTube. You can download audio only, or audio and video, into many different formats. In your case you could download the audio as an MP3. Then, there are many other audio converters that can take the MP3 and put it into a format that is compatible with Sound Forge.

If you use iTunes, it is a little more cumbersome. Download the music into your iTunes and then "burn" it to a CD. Then, there are several conversion programs that can "rip" the CD and convert the music to any format you want.

Now, all this being said, any "conversion" of the music will not be as good as an original copy. Quality certainly drops with each conversion program. The "best" audio sound would come from an original CD. But, if your main interest is using it for dancing, the quality should be fine. In my two methods, the best copy would be obtained by using the iTunes method because the source file is the best. Using the Firefox method, you don't know the quality of the original music that was used to create the YouTube video.

I have used the Firefox method many times for the studio. When we have a special "dance show" coming up (Holiday Show, Valentines Show, etc), the teachers always want some special music for their students. I taught the studio how to use the Firefox method to download from YouTube and then they upload the tune into iTunes for playing at the studio.

As far as the song goes, I am familiar with it and I have danced to it in several competitions. I do like it.

Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by nloftofan1
1/5/2013  8:32:00 AM
There is no need to burn a CD, then read the CD and convert the result to the desired format. In the example given, waynelee suggests doing this if the original is downloaded "into your iTunes," then burned to a CD, etc. The file is not "in" iTunes. iTunes is a computer program (application). A file is not "in" a computer program. The downloaded music is a file in the file system on your hard drive.

At least on the Macintosh, you can use "Show in Finder" (File menu) to locate the file. I'm less familiar with the Windows version of iTunes but I suspect that it's just as easy. But easy or hard, the point is that the file already exists on your hard drive, so burning it to a CD and then reading it back in is totally unnecessary--and loses quality.

There are numerous applications, some of them free, that can convert audio files from one format to another.
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by rgswoohoo
1/5/2013  7:19:00 PM
right here!

http://www.amazon.com/Puedo-Fallar/dp/B004294DEO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1357442205&sr=1-2-fkmr0&keywords=Guadalupe+Pineda+Puede+Fallar
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by Voco
1/5/2013  8:57:00 PM
Rgswoohoo, waynelee & nloftofan1

Thanks very much for the very useful suggestions and link. I will try them.
With regard to burning or not burning the iTunes sourced file, I dont fully understand the situation. I was under the impression that iTunes delivers the file in a special Apple-designed format, which is intentionally made incompatible with other formats so that it should not be possible to convert the file to a common music format by software. I thought that is the reason for the CD-burning suggestion, as when it is burned it is in a CD-playable common format. Am I wrong about that?
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by waynelee
1/5/2013  10:51:00 PM
Interesting point about iTunes and I will have to investigate it further. For years now, I have used the "burn CD" method to transfer iTunes music into a format that I could use elsewhere because iTunes used, and still uses, a proprietory format, called ACC, just like Rhapsody used with their RAX format. There may be audio converters that will take the iTunes music directly into .mp3, or other commonly used formats, this I will have to investigate. ACC formatted music can directly play on any Apple product like iPod, iPhone, IPad, etc. Also, some mp3 players may have an ACC codec that will allow playing iTunes directly, but they are not very common. The reason nloftofan1 may not have any problem playing iTunes music outside of the iTunes player is that he apparently uses a Macintosh, which is an Apple product and therefore can play ACC formatted music. The bottom line is that in order to use iTunes music in another program, or play in any and all mp3 players, the music must be converted into a standard format like mp3.

Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by nloftofan1
1/6/2013  8:03:00 AM
iTunes allows you to import music files in a number of formats, one of which is AAC (not ACC). But if you prefer, you can choose a different format; MP3 and WAV are two possibilities.

Even if you import in AAC format, you end up with a file on your hard drive. Just because it is in a format that is less familiar to you doesn't mean you have to write it out and then read it back in (2 steps, each of which loses quality) in a more familiar format.

There are numerous applications that will do the conversion, some of them free:

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fileextensions/tp/free-audio-converter.htm

for example. I think the ancient Winamp will do it.

Or you can use iTunes to do the conversion:

http://ipod.about.com/od/advanceditunesuse/ht/Converting-Aac-To-Mp3.htm
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by rgswoohoo
1/6/2013  5:42:00 PM
I rarely buy from itunes(only when I am looking for something specific and itunes is the only place I can find it), but when I do I always take the mp3s out of itunes and put them with the rest of my music lybrary. I use winamp to play everything and it all works fine. I think different albums and different songs are encoded in specific formats. Sometimes I work with my songs in Pyro Audio Creater by Cakewalk which has an encoding module that lets you drag and drop the song into the preset coding you want and it encodes the song and puts it back into the folder under the origial song. I find I have to do that sometimes because whatever coding is on the song won't allow the song to open up in the editing module.
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by waynelee
1/6/2013  5:43:00 PM
Thanks nloftofan1, you have saved me the research time and thanks for including the links. Looks like I won't have to use the "burn CD" conversion technique anymore.

But going back to the OP's question, one option for him is to purchase the track on iTunes. While iTunes supports IMPORTING different formats, purchasing tracks from the iTunes Store are all ACC formats. If Sound Forge does not accept an ACC file as an import format, the ACC file will have to be converted to a format that can be used by Sound Forge, such as mp3 or wav.

Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by Voco
1/6/2013  11:38:00 PM
RE: If Sound Forge does not accept an ACC file as an import format, the ACC file will have to be converted to a format that can be used by Sound Forge, such as mp3 or wav.

I have an older version of Sound Forge and as far as I can determine (I am not an expert in this field) the allowable file-formats do not include ACC. The closest sounding is AIFF.
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by nloftofan1
1/7/2013  6:23:00 AM
AAC, not ACC.

AAC is a "standardized" format:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding

One of the nice things about standards is that there are so many of them.
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by Voco
1/8/2013  1:33:00 AM
Attn.: nioftofan1

RE: AAC

The latest version of Sound Forge probably has it. My older version does not. May have to buy it, if I want to convert more files from iTune. Thanks for the advice.
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by LetsGoDance
1/7/2013  2:51:00 PM
this is your song:
http://cs4760.userapi.com/u2485087/audios/5cc2cc63a3dd.mp3
I can send it to you in .mp3 format by e-mail, send your e-mail address to godance@smile.net.il
Re: Old Latin Music Source
Posted by Voco
1/8/2013  1:17:00 AM
Attn.: LetsGoDance

I just sent you an email. Thank you very much.

Why is it that these older CDs just disappear from the market? Some of the old songs are very danceable.
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