I like the music - maybe because I have serveral very good ones at home. It's a wonderful dance but very, very hard to dance it correctly. A bit agressive, tension, without disturbing the partner. I danced it wrong for a long time an am only starting to get it right. And suddenly, the dance feels completely different. It's wonderful.

Hmpf- I love tango and I love tango music. Phil, I think you need to actually listen to some good tango music like Gotan Project, Astor Piazolla, etc instead of only hearing bad tango music and saying that it's crap. I'll take beautifully searing violins any day.

I promise i will try to find some tango music that makes me want to sit down and listen to it.

I doubt if a Tango can be learned without professional help.
If the setup between the partners is not correct then nothing will be right. At the begining and all the way through the feet have a certain position, they are off set. For the man the LF is ahead of the RF . The RF is level with the instep. The palm of the hand should be on the ladies spine. Stand facing diagnal to the wall with all of the above . Keep the feet where they are and turn the body anti- clockwise a few degrees. The first walk will have to be in CBMP. With that stance it connot be anywhere else. The second Walk there will be no CBMP. The will be CBMP on the first step of the Link.
Where your very first step is taken predetermines where the second step will land. From there it is lessons all the way
There is a tendency at first after the Link to lean slightly in the direction of the next step. If we hang a plumb bob from the right shoulder it should go straight to the ground. Chin up, look arrogant. Left heel off the floor. This is where teaching is esential with the conection of the knees, for want of a better word. If you do lean. From the other end of the hall, you will look as though you are diving into the floor. Keep that chin up, and get some instructions. Tango music. I like that one from the movie Chigago.
To this I will need to add .This is the International Style. Other Tango's have their own charcteristics

As my name implies-- that is part of who I am-- Scrivener trained ( over fifty yrs ago ) It is the one dance, that really defies the written word to impart the characteristic and the essence of this " oddball " dance.

The interpretations, given by all the past exponents , are, by and large, an extension of Lens concept.

His major argument intodays style would be 2 fold .

1--- The speed of the music
2-- the ever decreasing turn to the left in basic walks .

There are a several more areas which ( just my guess ) that he would address .

The " wine glass " look , is quite often absent. Add to this, the non delay of the 1st step thru prom. position ( doesnt anyone understand q-hold ? ) Could go on-- but I think thats food for thought .

One last thing--right SIDE lead-- not right shldr . I fought and lobbied long, for that term to be changed .

Tangotime. That's interesting. I was taught by Walley Fryer Lens biggest rival. I also saw him and Nellie dance many times in competition and giving demonstrations and lectures. The one thing that has always stayed with me is how he would count the Tango. He had us doing two Walks a Link and a Closed Promenade. As we know is S S Q Q. S Q Q S. He had the same timing but counted differently. He called Stop Stop Quick Stop. Stop Quick Stop Stop . The timing remained as it should be but with a different feel to the steps.
We had a German Professional writing on this site who said that in the Quickstep he calls every step a Slow to stop the pupils snatching the quicks Which is the same princible that Len taught all those years ago in the Tango. If you've kept up to date. In the Tango the first Walk is in strong CBMP as is the first step into the Link. Regards.

Finally -- someone of my era !-- No disagreement on cbmp. Just wish many of todays Profs would understand the concept !-- As far time distribution on closed prom, would again agree, totally different from book. As we know, expression ( in all dances ) is what brings some figures to life .
Wonder if we ever " bumped " into each other ?. I danced at the Hamm. Palais wed aft. and Tues nites regularly late forties early fifties .Also danced at Streatham Locarno and odd times at Peggys in Penge .
Funny you should mention Fryer-- he never seems to get the recognition he and Violet deserve-- he did as much for q/step, as len did for Tango.!

Len wa a real character. I was at a competition at the Olympic Ballroom Kensington where he was demonsrating and judging that night. it was a one dance competition , the Tango. He walked among the couples and if he tapped the shoulder you left the floor. The last one standing was the winner. I can always say I was touched on the shoulder by one of the immortals. I used to go to the Hamm Palaise on Tuesdays to the strict tempo nights. Those were the days. No registration cards. At the smaller comps no pre- entering, just pay the money at the door and get your number. If you didn't like the judges you would go somewhere else to compete. As I said those were the days. Got to go.

Am not trying to top you-- but this happened to me at Ham. on the Wed. aft. practice session .

Remember-- the "exscuse me " dance? >where people stood in the middle-- tapped you on the shldr, then cut in,?

It was usually in q.step.-- I was with one of my partners, doing my thing-- and Tap--looked around- it was Nellie !!. All I remember, was being in a daze, and petrified, couldnt think of a thing to do other than qrtrs, chasses and locks-- once around the floor, then she exscused herself, with the parting comment " very nice, young man "" . I have a feeling to this day, that Len put her up to that .
I was all of 17 yrs of age .
By the way-- did you ever go to Colliers place in Balham ? Thats one of the last places I saw len lecture ,before I moved to the states .

I sent all my young pros in the states, to Len ( and Sonny )

Sernd.-- forget to mention-- have been teaching for past 50 plus yrs, and am a former Examiner . Lectured at the IDTA national congress last yr .Spent most of the past yrs in the states, now back in the u.k. ,teaching as usual.