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Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/11/2007  8:17:00 PM
"Double the entry fees you have quoted. Most USADance is $125.00 per person. Double the hotel. Flying in requires 2 nights, ect.ect."

If you are already paying $325 to fly, try flying to cheaper competitions - the big ones are on the coasts, and priced quite reasonably.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/11/2007  8:23:00 PM
Your point of where we choose to fly is a very valid one. Often we could fly much further for less or at least equal.

Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  5:27:00 AM
Taking 2 lessons a week at $100 per lesson is $800 per month. 3 lessons a week costs $1200 per month. This comes out to $9,600 or $14,400 per year.

If you are an amateur this is a major expense, especially if you begin using visiting judges, or you travel to take world class lessons in NY, England, or other locations. If you are really trying to get competitive you could easily spend $25,000 to $35,000 per year or more. Some higher end competitive coachs could charge $200 per hour--depending on if they travel to you or you bear the expense of traveling to them. One needs a sponsor, trust fund, or money to pay for all of this. You need this coaching to even have the judges look at you. Look at how much (millions) the Chinese Pro AM lady was paying for lessons. A guy that was the American Amateur Smooth-Rhythm champion for years had independent money. He would fly in world class coachs from Italy, England or wherever. Bet he spent $75,000 or more a year on coaching.

Still there is no guarantee that you will win anything. Yeah it helps if you have some talent, but you also need lots of money for world class lessons to even throw you hat in the ring. Even someone with some or little talent that has money for years of high quality lessons will eventually become competitive. They will eventually take from all the judges and will become recognized if they are very persistant and hang in there for years. Sometimes it's partner stability, money,hard work and staying power. David and Valentino will probably be the next Am. Smooth champions. They have been competing and paying for these high end lessons for maybe 8 years.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  6:56:00 AM
"Taking 2 lessons a week at $100 per lesson is $800 per month. 3 lessons a week costs $1200 per month. This comes out to $9,600 or $14,400 per year."

And you get to divide that by two.

"One needs a sponsor, trust fund, or money to pay for all of this."

No - one needs a job and a willingness to sacrifice other things to achieve your goals. For most amateur succesful competitors today, that job is teaching dance... which really doesn't pay very well!

"Still there is no guarantee that you will win anything."

Exactly. Pouring money down the drain won't solve your problems if you do not have the time, determination, and ability. If you do, there seems ample evidence that you can succede while supporting yourself.

Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  7:37:00 AM
You are luckier than me with getting a partner to share costs 50/50. My Amateur partner had some talent, but no disposable income. Usually the Am. guy ends up paying more than his fair share--assuming he makes more income. Or it could be the reverse if the lady makes more income and the guy is more talented.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anon
2/12/2007  7:47:00 AM
Amateurs teaching dance to pay for lessons? In the USA aren't there rules and restrictions on Amateurs earning income. Elighten me. I know a pro that's been unsuccessful doing Pro Am and wants to be an Amateur now, but I think he needs to wait 5 years and quit teaching. Think there are some very strict rules on earning money from dance and Amateurs.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  8:06:00 AM
"Amateurs teaching dance to pay for lessons? In the USA aren't there rules and restrictions on Amateurs earning income."

Long ignored and now repealed

"I know a pro that's been unsuccessful doing Pro Am and wants to be an Amateur now, but I think he needs to wait 5 years and quit teaching."

One year of no pro activity, but teaching is no longer pro activity (working proam is)

Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anon
2/12/2007  8:38:00 AM
Interesting reply. What is the source of your information. Especially the pro
quitting for 1 year and then dancing amateur. USABA rule book--where? I didn't see anything on this.

So, I am an amateur and can teach and earn as much income as possible to pay for my own lessons? But, I can't compete Pro Am or hang out a shingle saying that I am a Pro. But I can call myself an amateur dance teacher and try to make unlimited income?
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  9:13:00 AM
"Interesting reply. What is the source of your information. Especially the pro
quitting for 1 year and then dancing amateur. USABA rule book--where? I didn't see anything on this."

Read the current (2007) rulebook. If you just look at who is elegible to compete, it would appear to be anyone who hasn't engaged in the (new reduced list of) prohibited activites in the past year. No reinstatement apparently needed.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Juice23
2/12/2007  11:09:00 AM
Amateurs (higher level competitors, but still) have been earning money from teaching and doing shows long before the rules changed to help fund their dancing. It's about time! I would prefer having a top competing (even if they didn't reach that world class status) teaching me than someone who just started dancing and just got out of a 6 week teacher training session.

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