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Re: Not in Atlanta
Posted by Telemark
9/16/2010  11:47:00 PM
Well you haven't given any reason yet.


I have. I have suggested that for a branch of the Association to have, in its teaching qualification structure, parity with three others (Ballroom / Latin & Freestyle), and yet only generating 0.6% of the Association's revenue (mainly from Medal Tests), is perhaps rather odd.

But, as I suggested, this is not something that really is of concern to anyone outside the memebrship. Certainly, I am not attacking the Modern Sequence world. Perhaps that is a world that could do with its own qualification structure (the IDTA doesn't offer any Modern Sequence qualifications, except for amateur medal tests). The Classical Sequence world is a different world, a very small one, and there is, by and large, NO Classical Sequence presence in the ordinary social dancing scheme.

What does the Associate modular syllabus consist of? Five modules: Waltz Module, The Royal Empress Tango Module, Fylde Waltz Module, Britannia Saunter Module & Premier Two Step Module.

At a guess, only 1-2% of the social dance community could dance ANY of them, and the proportion of sequence dancers who could do better wouldn't be much higher. The small proportion of sequence club leaders and teachers who have any dance qualifications at all are probably qualified in other branches (most typically, Ballroom), and the few that actually hold Classical Sequence qualifications can dance them, but plough a lonely furrow.

Feel free to disagree.
Re: Not in Atlanta
Posted by ME
9/17/2010  2:44:00 AM
What exactly is Classical Sequence Dancing. Is it just a fancy name for Modern Sequence Dancing. Example The UK Foxtrot.
Just a word on Sequence Dancing in all its forms, which includes Australian New Vogue. They go in and out of rhythm, sometimes from the very first step. The UK Foxtrot being one of those which starts on the first step out of rhythm. If we go to New Vogue, the Barclay Blues is another.
Re: Not in Atlanta
Posted by Telemark
9/17/2010  9:14:00 AM
What exactly is Classical Sequence Dancing. Is it just a fancy name for Modern Sequence Dancing.


No, not at all. 'Classical Sequence' = Old Time.

Early in the 1900's the old time form developed with two steps, gavottes, mazurkas and quick waltz. Then came saunters, swings and tangos and these make up the traditional old time form. New Vogue dancing in Australia is similar to the English old time form with open positions. After the second world war came the halcyon days of ballroom dancing and this style started to predominate in what is known as modern sequence dancing by the 1950's. In recent years the old time (or classical) style has virtually disappeared and modern sequence dancing of today is almost entirely based on standard or ballroom dancing and latin styles. New tempos have been introduced lately including Salsa and Mambos.

Unfortunately with the decline in popularity of ballroom dancing so interest in sequence dancing is dropping and many clubs are closing. This style will probably disappear within this generation just like the old time.


The text is from the Home Page of www.sequencedancing.co.uk. The author's suggestion that the style has "virtually disappeared", lends weight to my view that the style is overrepresented, and propbably doesn't merit its retention as a 'core' qualification subject.
Re: Not in Atlanta
Posted by terence2
9/16/2010  11:39:00 PM
It may interest you to know, that in the UK, Sequence has a much larger following "socially " than does the current B/room divisions..

Classes in seqeunce ( and line dance ) are much more profitable than any other form of class (and because they also strongly support socials ) than any other form.. including Salsa .

This may be part of the reason that it gets the respect that it does.. but.. to back a few decades... Old Time ( as was then called ) also had a huge following and the Modern sequence is purely an extension of that format..

Taking salsa as an integral part of the BR branch, was a "late " comer in terms of acceptance.. it is struggling to compete with the non qualif. people who teach on every street corner.. they even put a Bill into Parl. to get teacher licensing (it went nowhere ).. its nigh impossible to legislate dance, and the same is true in the States .

I do agree, that giving " Full " memb. to someone who has taken a One dance quali. is somewhat insulting to those of us who put in multi yrs of dance and training...

More appropriate would have been a Diploma...
Re: Not in Atlanta
Posted by Telemark
9/17/2010  5:39:00 AM
That's odd: I posted a response to Terence which has not appeared, but the forum's '## messages found' has one more than are visible. Perhaps it will turn up ...

I had written that to the best of my knowledge the 'One Dance' Diplomas don't confer 'Full Membership', but 'Ordinary Membership'. I'm not sure what the difference is, but it may relate to restricted voting rights (?), but certainly restricts members to entering examination candidates only in the branch in which the qualification is held.

Holders of a 'core' qualification can enter candidates for any style. But can anything that accounts for 0.6% of the association's revenue (exam fees, mostly) REALLY be called 'core' within the normal meaning of the word.

And I say again, that I am not attacking sequence dancing. Judging by some of the sequence forums, it is quite clear that they are happy to attack each other, and need no help from me. But 'Classical Sequence' as it is defined by the Association is a very small (almost insignificant) part of the sequence dance world.

While sequence dancing dominates social dancing in the UK (and elsewhere), this is modern sequence. If you see a Fylde Waltz, or any of the others at a general social dance, it is a rarety, and there will only be one or two couples on the floor, whereas if you announce most well known or recent sequences, you'll be crushed under the rush to the floor.
Re: Same Sex Dancing
Posted by TangoFandango
9/17/2010  10:16:00 AM
Are there any same sex sequence dances.

Only joking, this Thread seems to have gone onto Sequence Dancing.

My Aunt Elsie was born in 1900. When girls of her age finished school the First World war was in full spate. Teachers often said to the girls "Go int the world, but don't expect to get married as there are no men left." I guess at this point the girls got organized and started dancing together, one of them taking the man's part. Prejudice in employment also meant that girls could often only get on in business if they impersonated a man.

I remember a music hall song went on the lines that "Dancing is not good when you are dancing bust to bust."

I guess when the balance of sexes was restored, the girls got back to dancing with men. Look at an active old folks home home though, and you will see there are a lot of ladies dancing together as they last longer than their men.

So back on thread, we accept girls dancing with girls (and I believe in the UK a girl can take a medal dancing the man's steps but a man cannot do the reverse) but I guess rules on discrimination would only let you open a competition to any combination of the sexes?

You can of course continue on the sequence thread should you so desire!

(Elsie never married, I have a letter to her written by a young soldier "on active service" but I don't know what happened to him)
Re: Same Sex Dancing
Posted by Telemark
9/17/2010  12:04:00 PM
Yes, I agree, that if anyone wants to continue the sequence discussion, we should take it to another thread.

I'm more interested in the same sex dancing, anyway, but may I offer a correction: with the IDTA, there is no bar to men dancing as ladies for amateur awards (they're called 'double awards').
Re: Same Sex Dancing
Posted by TangoFandango
10/22/2010  1:53:00 AM
I just picked up on the BBC news site this article about DWTS in Israel.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11594618

It is quite interresting that the girls will swap roles each session - a bold move by the amateur performer.
Re: Same Sex Dancing
Posted by anymouse
10/22/2010  9:05:00 AM
I have seen ordinary (predominately mixed couples) amateur medalist comps won by f/f couples where that was permitted. Dancing is mostly about building general movement and partnering skills, and someone who gets to fully experience both sides of the task will often be at an advantage in rapidly gaining a full understanding of either role.

Some male dancers are astoundingly good at substituting or demonstrating the lady's part - not to say that there are not gender-linked components to the job, but playing either part is more about trained elements such as deep expertise, judgment, flexibility, and strength than it is about the secondary effects of sex hormones.
Re: Not in Atlanta
Posted by Janet
10/10/2016  2:43:00 AM
why? I have one Associate Classical Sequence hopefully qualifying next month (she's 40)
and we have just taken our school examination and had children as young a 5 doing Classical Sequence. In our next of the woods Northwest England Classical Sequence is thriving, I spent yesterday with around 200 hundred people at the 64th Sequence gala in Southport and will be at the Tower Ballroom in Blackpool on Friday where you will regularly find over 200 people dancing Classical Sequence and I do mean Classical Sequence not modern or latin Sequence

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