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Re: Judging
Posted by phil.samways
1/15/2011  11:16:00 AM
I've had a very limited experience of judging at a lower level - almost 'fun' competitions.
The first thing i looked for is the general shape of the couple - good posture and poise - the 'top line'. This stands out, even on a crowded floor. I believe most judges do this. After all, you can't move very freely on a crowded floor in the early rounds. But you can look good.
Dancing out of time is a complete no-no of course.
Judging is a very difficult task and obviously very subjective. Rather like deciding which is the 'best' car!
Re: Judging
Posted by Anonymous
6/18/2011  12:14:00 AM
Phil Samways. I cant find your correspondence regarding the Skating System in judging so I will put it here. You might like to look at How a dancer can lose when the majority of judges mark them to win.. Dancesport UK Interviews and Articles. Harry Smith- Hampshire cites a case where this did happen but doesn't go into how.
Re: Judging
Posted by Iluv2Dance
1/16/2011  1:13:00 AM
Terence. Was the couple, Paddy Shannan and Maureen Cavener(?) The girl with long blonde hair.
Re: Judging
Posted by terence2
1/17/2011  12:40:00 AM

If I remember correctly,I believe it was Charlie Ellis and Maureen Canavan ?. I do remember they were S.E. Amat. champs .

It was a general consensus, as you may remember, that they had ,and I quote... " The finest F/trot in the Amat. ranks " . I believe he was a haulage contractor ? .

And yes, I remember Paddy .

Re: Judging
Posted by ddancer
6/13/2011  11:27:00 PM
I have had coaching lessons with many adjudicators and ask every one of them what they look for.

Number one is topline. They can tell the most from it. If your footwork, frame or timing is off they can tell just by looking at your topline. If everyone is equal there then they will look at the feet. If equal there then they will look into styling, etc.

Judges mark the dancers who "offend them least" according to the late Scott Montague.

I do not believe that people are marked or not based on their body. However their dancing CAN be overlooked because they are not wearing costumes that are appropriate for their body. Both men and ladies should keep their problem areas covered. Ladies should always be in panty hose unless they are extremely tan and toned. Even then, I'd still recommend it. Everyone's legs look better in hose, plus it keeps the spanks from riding up which is a MAJOR distraction from your dancing.

Other big no-nos: hair in your face, nude colored spanks (everyone spends the whole time trying to figure out if you're wearing any, and miss out on your awesome dancing), glitter (just looks like sweat under the lights).

As far as seeing many of the same people called back, there are a couple factors. One is because they probably deserve to be there. Judges do call also call people back that they know, that is true, but its not a politics thing generally. It's because they know their dancing. If they have someone that they already know if a fabulous dancer in a semi-final they are going to call them back without really watching them. This allows them to spend more time watching the dancers they don't know to see who else deserves a call back. When it gets to the finals then they'll spend more time with each couple.
Re: Judging
Posted by Anonymous
6/17/2011  2:06:00 AM
Without a good top line you might as well pack your bags and head for the door. The top line is is the first thing that a judge will see as they look across the floor. Lets not forget. For the man, it is all about standing up straight. Remember a male dancers spine does not finish at the base of the skull. It goes up through the head and up to the ceiling without a bend in it. Lifting the chin too high creating a kink in the back of the neck is also a fault which we see too often.
Re: Judging
Posted by quickstep7
6/17/2011  2:28:00 AM
The top line is very important! Without it there is very little point attending a competition. You might think you have a good top line, but the problems become evident in dance's like the quickstep. I have seen couple's where the woman is much better than the man, because she is not thinking of the technical elements to creating a good top line. As anonymous states it is about keeping a straight back and not stretching the head and neck to high as to create a kink in the spine which then looks ugly. For me, this is why technique is one of the things I look for!
Re: Judging
Posted by terence2
6/17/2011  9:07:00 AM
Your comment about P/Hose is quite interesting...

It may interest you to know that, most top flite prof ladies NEVER wear them.. why ? because the feet cannot " grab " the shoe as effectively.The champions of old , seemed to manage pretty well without them !( they weren't invented )

The P/hose thing , is a fairly new addition to the comp. field,( for those that do choose them, if any ) and Tights worn by ladies, particularly in latin, is far more suitable .

Also interesting what the Judges you spoke to gave as a "priority ".. having been ( and still am ) a Champ. adjudicator, there are several aspects that carry equal " weight " .. Top is one , but only a part of the bigger picture .
Re: Judging
Posted by belleofyourball
6/19/2011  1:01:00 AM
I hate P/hose in terms of dance. You slip and slide and you can't grip the floor or hold any accuracy in your feet. You may as well spray grease on your feet.

If you need to hide something you can go with fishnets. They aren't slippery, they hide the imperfections and you can get them in a million colors.
Re: Judging
Posted by Guest
7/1/2012  3:01:00 AM
It's quite simple. What judges look for is which couples have had lessons with them. Unfortunately there are many that look for the couples that have contributed to their wages in some way.

Dancesport competitors need to be great politicians paying like senators vast monies for campaigns to even get a look in. Some adgjudicators are fair and I suppose as unbiased as they can be. But too many accounts of both past and present competitors prove the corruption that is sickingly prevalent in this arena. The corrupt judges maintain it and the fair judges just accept it. Why would they question an established system that pays their wages. Real life accounts, personal experience even supposed private conversations overheard between prominent judges and students regarding results of future comps not even danced yet, has convinced this dancer that competitive ballroom is at its creative end.

Bottom line. People who can afford the inflated prices of these prominent teachers/adjudicators will be marked into finals. Couples who make the finals are talented, skilled and probably work very hard. Do the best get through or even win? Hmmmmm. Money over skill. Influence over talent.

We might as well consider running for office. It's starting to smell like politics more and more. Shame, because ballroom dancing is rich both in its history and diversity.

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