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Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/11/2007  8:23:00 PM
Your point of where we choose to fly is a very valid one. Often we could fly much further for less or at least equal.

Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  5:27:00 AM
Taking 2 lessons a week at $100 per lesson is $800 per month. 3 lessons a week costs $1200 per month. This comes out to $9,600 or $14,400 per year.

If you are an amateur this is a major expense, especially if you begin using visiting judges, or you travel to take world class lessons in NY, England, or other locations. If you are really trying to get competitive you could easily spend $25,000 to $35,000 per year or more. Some higher end competitive coachs could charge $200 per hour--depending on if they travel to you or you bear the expense of traveling to them. One needs a sponsor, trust fund, or money to pay for all of this. You need this coaching to even have the judges look at you. Look at how much (millions) the Chinese Pro AM lady was paying for lessons. A guy that was the American Amateur Smooth-Rhythm champion for years had independent money. He would fly in world class coachs from Italy, England or wherever. Bet he spent $75,000 or more a year on coaching.

Still there is no guarantee that you will win anything. Yeah it helps if you have some talent, but you also need lots of money for world class lessons to even throw you hat in the ring. Even someone with some or little talent that has money for years of high quality lessons will eventually become competitive. They will eventually take from all the judges and will become recognized if they are very persistant and hang in there for years. Sometimes it's partner stability, money,hard work and staying power. David and Valentino will probably be the next Am. Smooth champions. They have been competing and paying for these high end lessons for maybe 8 years.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  6:56:00 AM
"Taking 2 lessons a week at $100 per lesson is $800 per month. 3 lessons a week costs $1200 per month. This comes out to $9,600 or $14,400 per year."

And you get to divide that by two.

"One needs a sponsor, trust fund, or money to pay for all of this."

No - one needs a job and a willingness to sacrifice other things to achieve your goals. For most amateur succesful competitors today, that job is teaching dance... which really doesn't pay very well!

"Still there is no guarantee that you will win anything."

Exactly. Pouring money down the drain won't solve your problems if you do not have the time, determination, and ability. If you do, there seems ample evidence that you can succede while supporting yourself.

Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  7:37:00 AM
You are luckier than me with getting a partner to share costs 50/50. My Amateur partner had some talent, but no disposable income. Usually the Am. guy ends up paying more than his fair share--assuming he makes more income. Or it could be the reverse if the lady makes more income and the guy is more talented.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anon
2/12/2007  7:47:00 AM
Amateurs teaching dance to pay for lessons? In the USA aren't there rules and restrictions on Amateurs earning income. Elighten me. I know a pro that's been unsuccessful doing Pro Am and wants to be an Amateur now, but I think he needs to wait 5 years and quit teaching. Think there are some very strict rules on earning money from dance and Amateurs.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  8:06:00 AM
"Amateurs teaching dance to pay for lessons? In the USA aren't there rules and restrictions on Amateurs earning income."

Long ignored and now repealed

"I know a pro that's been unsuccessful doing Pro Am and wants to be an Amateur now, but I think he needs to wait 5 years and quit teaching."

One year of no pro activity, but teaching is no longer pro activity (working proam is)

Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anon
2/12/2007  8:38:00 AM
Interesting reply. What is the source of your information. Especially the pro
quitting for 1 year and then dancing amateur. USABA rule book--where? I didn't see anything on this.

So, I am an amateur and can teach and earn as much income as possible to pay for my own lessons? But, I can't compete Pro Am or hang out a shingle saying that I am a Pro. But I can call myself an amateur dance teacher and try to make unlimited income?
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  9:13:00 AM
"Interesting reply. What is the source of your information. Especially the pro
quitting for 1 year and then dancing amateur. USABA rule book--where? I didn't see anything on this."

Read the current (2007) rulebook. If you just look at who is elegible to compete, it would appear to be anyone who hasn't engaged in the (new reduced list of) prohibited activites in the past year. No reinstatement apparently needed.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Juice23
2/12/2007  11:09:00 AM
Amateurs (higher level competitors, but still) have been earning money from teaching and doing shows long before the rules changed to help fund their dancing. It's about time! I would prefer having a top competing (even if they didn't reach that world class status) teaching me than someone who just started dancing and just got out of a 6 week teacher training session.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  1:10:00 PM
I also did not realize that Amatuars could now teach, earn an income. This must have changed recently, and because at a novice level it does not effect me, I dont keep up with it. BTW, I am in favor of this change.

I do agree with the quoted instructor fees... Here, we will pay about 90.00 an hour, and that is how I came up with my estimate of 12K a year in lesson expense.... I just could not for the life of me figure our how someone could do a comp cheaper than a week-end of lessons.

Many of your AM couples like ourselves are husband and wife teams and I dont consider it sharing the cost.... It comes out of one pocketbook.

What I think though that is missing and have to disagree with is throwing money away.... Not all who both compete and take multiple lessons a week are doing it to rise to the top. The reward is the joy of preparing for the comps and not just the comp.... Sometimes I have to laugh at this thing we call a hobby.. 3 lessons a week and on the off days in the studio working on what we have leared in our lessons. But still it is a hobby, just a very passionate one that makes myself and my husband quite happy regardless of our placements.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  1:25:00 PM
"I do agree with the quoted instructor fees... Here, we will pay about 90.00 an hour, and that is how I came up with my estimate of 12K a year in lesson expense.... I just could not for the life of me figure our how someone could do a comp cheaper than a week-end of lessons."

$50 x 2 for competition entry
vs
$90 *2 for pair of lessons


"Many of your AM couples like ourselves are husband and wife teams and I dont consider it sharing the cost.... It comes out of one pocketbook."

It would cost you twice as much to both do Pro/Am as you would be doing it seperately... So you don't exactly save 50%, but you save the 200% increase
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  2:50:00 PM
I guess I keep getting caught up in the comp prices you are quoting.... Do you mind me asking where in the US you are competing for that price?.. Maybe what it is you are competing?

We do travel to many regionals (am/am), USA Dance and NDCA comps in different parts of the US and have never paid that price. It sounds like maybe one champ entry, with no entry fee to the ballroom?? I dont know. We dance both international standard and smooth, maybe that is where the difference is.

I think there is also a misconception as to what a AM couple learns in lessons. Sure, of course two of us are learning "steps" and we could dance it seperatley. But for the most part we are learning partnership skills, how to compete together and it is (In my mind) just not the same as say two people seperatley taking a priviate lesson from a pro. The focus is on the couple, not the individual. Progress is definetely much slower.... Dont mean to beat a dead horse here.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  7:38:00 PM
"I guess I keep getting caught up in the comp prices you are quoting.... Do you mind me asking where in the US you are competing for that price?.. Maybe what it is you are competing?"

Either coast. If you go to the USA Dance competitions that have large attendance by serious competitors, the prices are very low. If you go to the ones run by people who can't get out of the grand hotel pro-am pagent mindset, they are going to be overpriced.

"It sounds like maybe one champ entry, with no entry fee to the ballroom??"

Two levels will usually cost you $50-55 per person, no entry fee for competitors. Sometimes you can enter four events for that price, sometimes its alacarte.

"I think there is also a misconception as to what a AM couple learns in lessons. Sure, of course two of us are learning "steps" and we could dance it seperatley. But for the most part we are learning partnership skills, how to compete together and it is (In my mind) just not the same as say two people seperatley taking a priviate lesson from a pro. The focus is on the couple, not the individual. Progress is definetely much slower.... Dont mean to beat a dead horse here."

Before you know what you are doing that might be true, but once you have the basics down it really isn't. As my coach used to say when I was in between partnerships and taking some lessons alone, there's really only so much I can teach you outside of a partnership. Dancing the steps is not the main skill!
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  8:02:00 PM
USA Dance Regionals entry fee survey for 2007 (per person)

Southwest (CA) (2006) $60

Northwest (Seattle) entries are free, weekend pass required ($45/$55 standing room/balcony)

North Central (Chicago) $100 (ouch!)

Northeast (NJ) $60

Southeast $130-$150 (longstanding reputation for outrageous prices!)

As I said... the ones on the coasts are cheapest, and also biggest and most contested, wheras the ones in the middle are overpriced and small...





Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/12/2007  11:20:00 PM

LOL...The 2 regionals we have planned so far is the Southeast and North Central!

The up side is that our flight to Chicago will be under 200 each, which is probably a first for us.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/13/2007  8:57:00 AM
"LOL...The 2 regionals we have planned so far is the Southeast and North Central!"

The downside is not so much the entry fees, but the much much smaller events. You would have much more competition at southwest or northeast.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by anny
2/13/2007  9:07:00 AM
Ren=member, when comparing these to proam comps, that the fee per person covers ALL entries for all events. Proam comps usually charge per heat, in addition to the myriad fees that surround the 'rpo'...
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Anonymous
2/13/2007  3:59:00 PM
Right, NDCA comps are charged by the heat. Even for an AM they are much more expensive than USDance. We just registered for a local NDCA, total cost $400.00.(entry and entrance fees) For a Pro-AM, the cost, considering other fees would be much more.
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Mark
5/13/2017  4:14:00 AM
From all discussions it looks like the only cost gor compwtition are entry fees per dance which vary betwen 50-100.
I was told by my studio that on the top of this the cost of upcomong competition is 2950 per day to participate. I guess that there is a hidden cost to cover expenses of my instructor but even with 150/hour it should be max 1200 counting 8 hours. Any idea what " daily fees mught be ?
Re: how much do competitions cost?
Posted by Guest
5/14/2017  5:25:00 PM
The Hotel I stayed at at Blackool in the U.K.. The Managers wife worked as a receptionist at a Heath Spa where many of the dancers went to to use the Tanning Rooms. She said to me
" You Ballroom Dancers seem to be fairly wealthy people with the amount of diamond rings
and Gold Rolex wrist watches I keep seeing as well as expensive handbags and clothing shoes ect".
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