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Rumba Rhythm
Posted by dancelover2012
11/15/2012  9:08:00 PM
As general rule, the strong beat in Latin music is at beat 1. But in the CD "Rhythm of Results" of Ton Greten (http://www.dsi-london.com/site/?action=prod_page&pid=9163&cat_id=13&type=18&sub_id) he said that the strong beat in Rumba is in beat 4 (it is syncopated!!!). I also do not know why Walter Laid said in his book that Rumba has beat 4 strong)

Therefore what is the exact music of International Rumba (used in WDC and WDSF contests)? Rumba with strong beat in beat 1 or Rumba with strong beat in beat 4? If they use beat 4 strong, what is the reason?

Can anyone know it clearly? And how about music rhythm of Chacha in WDC & WDSF?
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by OZ
11/16/2012  3:06:00 PM
Dance Lover. There is a musical accent in the Cha Cha on beat 1.
In the Rumba. It is possible with some that the Rumbas they dance to are not true Rumbas. The predominent percussive accent is on beat 4 in a Rumba.
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by dancelover2012
11/20/2012  1:35:00 AM
You mean that the true Rumba has strong accent on beat 4. But can you let me know it is syncopated (strong beat at 2 and 4) or it is normal with extra beat in 4 (strong beat at 1,3,4)?
Do you have any information about strong beat at 2 in Rumba except Walter Laird book?
Thank in advance
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by terence2
11/22/2012  4:02:00 AM


Why ?.. because if you study "latin " rhythm, you would know that "4" is the stressed note in Cuban Son, which along with Clave, is the foundation for ALL latin rhythms.

The European "ear " has concentrated on the down beat forever ( it seems ) .
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by dancelover2012
11/22/2012  7:45:00 AM
Cuban Son music and Clave is played in 8-beats cycle ( 1, & after 2,4,,6,7) and have no relation to international Rumba played in 4-beat cycle with step on 2,3,4. If you know the history of the int. rumba dance, you will see it is different to Cuban rumba
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by terence2
11/23/2012  3:23:00 AM


The Q was " WHY " the 4 was dominant..

and, I was probably dancing and teaching indigenous ( and BR )latin rhythms, before you were born ( IN the States with latinos )also trained with Laird in the 40s, and, DO you know Intern. Rumbas origins, and its antecedent ? and its NOT danzon.

ALL indigenous latin, in the Rumba genre ( an umbrella term ) is Son and Clave driven.

If you have a dis agreement with this, then may I suggest you take your posit to Salsa Forums, where there has just been a discussion on this very topic,( Son ) by NY latin musicians.
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by dancelover2012
11/23/2012  9:14:00 AM
In 1947 Mr. Pierre visited Havana, modified the Cuban Rumba which is played with 6 or 7 steps in a phrase (2 bars) of 8 beats. This Cuban Rumba is played with the Clave and Conga.. The modified Rumba (now is the int Rumba) is played only 3 steps in a bar of 4 beats. It is very different, can you dance int Rumba with the Clave?
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by O.Z.
11/23/2012  5:11:00 PM
To dance a Rumba we do not have to know what is a Clave or a Son. Leave that for the musicians. Most of them couldn't dance their way out of a paper bag.
In 1947 the Rumba was that square thing which today would be considered a joke
I used to have a tape by Doris Laval who with Pierre helped to standardize Competition Latin American.It only has a fleeting resemblence to todays Latin in particular the Rumba. Who among us can remember when The Rumba was played at 30 BPM. Today it is officially down to 25 BPM.
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by dancelover2012
11/23/2012  6:48:00 PM
Thanks OZ and terrence2, maybe you are old people playing rumba for a long time.
But the question " WHY the beat 4 was dominant" is still unclear.
Re: Rumba Rhythm
Posted by terence2
11/24/2012  12:41:00 AM
Because thats the way the music is written.. the 4 , is stressed on Conga, Base and Tumbao .

It occurs on the 2nd bar ,of a 2 bar phrase. Latinos ,and the prof. teachers in Cuba ,teach that to their students .

There is a discussion ongoing in another site that, ALL latin music in the dance scene is Son based . Its been posited by some very well respected biographers ( latinos )ergo. "4" is the anchor, if you will .

Go to Salsa Forums.. there is a discussion on the Music section that ,has great detail on this subject. Its under" Son " .

To remember.. this rhythm structure ( Clave and Son ) has been around long before the dances we see today, were invented .

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