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Pivots
Posted by Iluv2Dance
11/29/2004  10:50:00 AM
What is the difference between a Reverse Pivot and a Slip Pivot?
Re: Pivots
Posted by Administrator
11/29/2004  6:34:00 PM
I thought I just saw this question asked and aswered here recently. At any rate, here's the answer:

A Slip Pivot is actually a specific type of Reverse Pivot, whereby the lady "slips" from fallaway to closed position in order to complete the reverse pivot action.

Regards,
Jonathan
Re: Pivots
Posted by Anonymous
11/30/2004  12:18:00 AM
I thought the closing happened into the reverse pivot rather than at its completion?
Re: Pivots
Posted by Iluv2Dance
12/1/2004  3:24:00 AM
Hi All,
It seems that the Slip Pivot is normally danced from a Fallawy Position and the Reverse Pivot from a Closed Position. Yet, if the Reverse Pivot is danced using a 1/2 or a 1/4 beat the action of the Reverse Pivot becomes a slip action. On a different thread: has anyone any profitable ideas for cutting back on advertising dance classes? In other words, 'Free advertising in the local paper'.
Re: Pivots
Posted by Anonymous
12/1/2004  10:36:00 AM
What sort of reverse pivot follows a closed position, passing foot work action? Ie, quick open reverse, ___ pivot? Where the pivot action is given only the trailing half beat.
Re: Pivots
Posted by Iluv2Dance
12/2/2004  2:36:00 AM
Hi Anon,
I'm not familiar with the term 'passing footwork action'. The type of Pivot - which I'm sure you know - is a Reverse Pivot. If danced using a beat value other than a Slow then the action of the Pivot is a Slip. Although it is still named as a Reverse Pivot. I don't know if there is more than one 'Anonymous' writer but have always found their contribution(s) to a thread to be knowledgeable and informative. Is it possible you can start a new thread on any technical aspect of ballroom or the Latin dances. Thanks.
Re: Pivots
Posted by Anonymous
12/2/2004  9:18:00 AM
Passing foot action simply means anything that doesn't close the feet, in this case almost anything except a waltz or quickstep 1-3 of reverse turn.

As for your comment about a reverse pivot being a slip pivot when not given a full slow (or even a full beat), check out the ISTD Waltz syllabus, where it's defined on it's own as a half beat action. This isn't a variation of the reverse pivot for special cases - it's the primary version of the step, with any longer timing being a variation that I've personally never seen (other than in consecutive pivots)

Re: Pivots
Posted by Iluv2Dance
12/2/2004  11:29:00 AM
Hi Anon,
Again it depends on your technical training. I was taught that if you passed the feet in a turn it became an Open Turn. I've never heard the term 'passing foot action' before in relation to an Open Turn. As far as the ISTD Waltz Reverse Pivot being standardised as a Basic Figure it's also a Basic Figure in the Quickstep. I only stated that when danced using a 1/2 or a 1/4 beat a degree of slip rather than a short step with the toe turned in then a turn being made. Again I suppose it depends on the individuals interpretation. In my previous thread I challenged you to start a thread so we could all benefit from your technical knowledge. I'm not being sarcastic when I write that, it's just that I'm hungry for knowledge.
Re: Pivots
Posted by Anonymous
12/2/2004  12:07:00 PM
"foot passing action" is not necessarily an official term - I may very well have made it up, figuing it described what happens at the end of an open turn, on contrast to what one might call a "foot closure action".

In terms of the book definition of the reverse pivot action, I was trying to point out that it's defined as a half beat action, so presumably the offical technique applies there. In contrast, where a slip pivot (by name) applies you are often given two choices - one with a quick slip pivot, and one that moves the syncopation earlier to give more time for the slip pivot. So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think there is a mapping between technique and timing as you describe, since the only evidence, while vague, actually points to an opposite relationship. I'm more likely to believe in a mapping between commencing foot position and pivot technique - open turns leading to more of a slip technique, with foot closure leading to a conventional reverse pivot.

But if you look at what Jonathan wrote, he suggests that the slip pivot is defined by something else entirely, the lady closing from fallaway. I have seen people teach different footwork for reverse pivots (push off toe) vs slip pivots (roll through heel) which applied across the various figures in the same way as Jonathan's definition (slip version only from fallaway, normal version from open and closed turns).

In terms of starting a thread, what do you want to talk about?

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