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Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Anonymous
4/5/2005  10:58:00 PM
sorry, should have been more specific: there are not closed tapping actions
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Red Coconut
4/6/2005  1:57:00 PM
I agree that your instructor probably doesn't know much about Int'l Tango.

As already mentioned, the lead is a simple shift in weight from one leg to the other.

As to leading/following--you will be better served to invest in a lesson with a good (well-experienced national-calibre) coach. Leading and following is an art into itself.

Good luck!
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by GrahamB
4/9/2005  12:34:00 PM
Hi Red Coconut!

I have recently done the Argentine Tango for 6 months - and learnt that the dance is nothing without lead and following. I couldn't link my instructors teaching on the Int'l Tango with my recent A-Tango experience. That's why I asked. Your advice about a top calibre instructor is good.

And Hi Interested!
Thanks for your examples and about the Len Scrivener International style. I will this some thought.

Thanks everyone. Bye
GrahamB
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Interested
4/7/2005  2:04:00 AM
No swinging steps in Tango. Take as an example a Tipple Chasse in the Quickstep we swing. Side together side in Tango is stepped. Do both and you will see for yourself. As for doing your routine as a sequence is ok in the studio. But in a competition on a crowded floor it won't work. Just a bit of additional information, The late great Tango dancer Len Scrivener International style had us count out load for two walks and a Link. Stop stop quick stop. From there into the Closed Promanade was Stop Quick stop stop. Even though we are all aware that the timing is on the last piece s.q.q.s. Good luck.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by GrahamB
4/9/2005  12:17:00 PM
Hi Anonymous!

Thanks. Your key comment: " . . tango does not have tapping actions, because in tango closing the feet on a quick implies a weight change." is new to me. Really good news.

You have opened up a new avenues for me. It was worth posting this mail.

Thanks again, Bye
GrahamB
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Interested
4/16/2005  10:51:00 PM
I may be wrong but a brush tap in Tango only came in as more and more orchestrers started to play 4/4 tempo instead of 2/4 Tangos. To keep in phrase with the music in 4/4 time a Brush Tap would allows us to use the same foot twice hoding it for two beats if necessary. A little different. I asked this ex international If you strike a 4/4 Tango in competition and you do a Four Step how do you manage to keep in phrase. Easy was the answere , just stand still for two beats and if you want do a head flick on those two beats.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Anonymous
4/16/2005  11:56:00 PM
Be aware that inserting an extra slow in your four step (absent an obstruction) is technically a syllabus violation - though you are as likley to get marked down for simply dancing the four step with the wrong timing as penalized for breaking the rules. If you want to stay on phrase, you need to change the timing before you start the four step. In gold, you can use a five step instead. And in open you can use whatever timing or hesitations you think will work best.

It's interesting to note the resemblence between the brush tap and the last action of the American tango basic. While beginners use a drag close on a slow, some will use a brush-tap action in intermediate smooth. In either case note that this is not a closing on a quick, so it doesn't imply a weight change - it's either a drag closed on slow, or a closing towards on & followed by side on slow.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Onlooker
4/18/2005  4:13:00 AM
Anonymous. As we know the Progressive Side Step finishes on the man's left foot as a slow. With a 4/4 Tango being played. Try Two Walks a Progressive Side Step. A Walk into a Link. We are now out of phrase. If we carry on with a Closed Promenade we will enter the Reverse Turn on a 3 4 . and not 1 2. The fault lies with the music provider who should pay better attention to their disks and never play a 4/4 Tango only 2/4. We here have a style where a 4/4 Tango might be desirable. If the provider is careless and it happens, one goes on for a Standard Tango.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Anonymous
4/18/2005  10:20:00 AM
No, the fault lies with the choreographer. This whole 2/4 vs 4/4 tango thing is an overstatement - the structure is always there, it just may not be as obvious. Many people will realize the off-phrase steps are hard (and maybe sneak in delaying slows) without realizing why.

If you care about phrasing, you need to learn to phrase your combinations, not criticize the DJ. It's not really any different than foxtrot which also has groupings that will put you on 3412 rather than 1234. It's acceptable to dance any foxtrot figure on 3412, but you will probably be happier if you work your choreography to quickly return you to measure alignment.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Onlooker
5/15/2005  11:44:00 PM
Anonymous. I would agree with your comments. Very well put and easy to understand. There is always a but. And that is if you were judging, and there was little difference between two couples and you needed to choose. I think you would go for the couple who are in phrase with the music if the others were not. Another but is that teachers are telling us we must dance in eight bar phrasing also. It might be a little difficult if we are on 3412.

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