The reverse wave in the syllabus book is the short version, comprising reverse turn, back three step, and impetus ending - it does not include a back feather. The extended reverse wave is not documented in the book, you have to figure it out from the composite pieces (back three and back feather) or it might be in _popular variations_.

Suomynona. It's strange that the extended Reverse Wave has not made it to the book after all these years. I saw the often mentioned Len Scrivener performing this in 1952, it was considered one of his highlights. Following him was Sonny Binnick who had a reputation of being able to do this step better than anyone else. Now I believe the wave is being done with the lady not going to the outside on the Feather, but staying in line throughout
According to John Wood it travels more.

Right shoulder lead is incorrect - you've taken proper natural CBM and simply mirror imaged it, which won't work for a reverse turn. In a reverse turn, the hips lead the CBM rotation and the shoulders lag behind. Misunderstanding this causes some to mistakenly claim that reverse figures have no CBM - they don't have the mirror image of natural CBM (which would be right shoulder lead from early top rotation) but they do have CBM, just in the right place (hips) to initiae turn to the left in an offset hold.

I would say that the whole left side continues to lead into the reverse turn from a feather,at least that what it feels like to me. The same could be said going from a lock to a fallaway,but I agree that the hips do lead the shoulders slightly and that is the cbm for the man. The hip lead I feel is stronger for the Lady as she has to allow the Man to pass and also turn on one foot. I say feel,not know.

Yes dave that is basically it - you have to maintain the left side stretch which prevents an early top rotation as would be used in natural CBM.

Another thing to keep in mind is that you don't really pass your partner on a reverse turn - counterintuitive, but due to the offste the person on the inside actually passes the person on the outside!

Suomynona. You lost me on that one.The person on the inside does the passing?at what point?. When I step back in a turn I think that I am opening the door for my partner to pass through she then waits for me to pass through the door,we are not both working at the same time or trying to pass through the door at the same time. I'm having a tea break while she provides the power,but at the same time I must keep my spine turning as she swings through,we are the same weight and height. This method to me provids a more dynamic and powerfull movement.

SUOMYNONA. Are we forgetting CBMP on the second quick. Without it your Reverse Turn will be second class. Ask the lady which she prefers. Without it I find it difficult to get my feet under my body for the Reverse Turn and to be able to take two balanced steps backwards , of an equall length.. LF. then RF.

Because of the offset in the hold, on a reverse turn the person moving forwards will actually end up behind their partner in the head and shoulders, because the offset subtracts from the underturned body position desired at the end. In a natural they end up ahead because the offset adds.

There is of course CBMP on the 2nd quick of the feather, and NO CBMP on the 2nd quick of the reverse (unless it's an open reverse), so not really shure what that was all supposed to be about?

Suoynona. I got that dreaded book out for this one. On a Foxtrot Reverse Turn there CBM on 1 4 and 7. The sixth step is placed in CBMP.Do you know i am actually learning from all this. Keep them coming, and don't be scared of making a mistake . Somebody will soon put you right, and another will benefit from you questions.

Yes, if you speak of the reverse turn as including the feather finish, then obvioulsy there is CBMP in the feather finish just as that I mentioned in the feather. But in common usage the reverse turn will not necessarily include the feather finish - note in the book they explicility tell you they are giving you both.

Given the context of discussion of CBM, some will mistakenly assume that full CBM puts them in CBMP, or that they might end the reverse turn (123) in CBMP - so I was trying to clear that up.