Suomy - i was really considreing the motion up into the rise, the top of the rise, and then the start of the lowering action. My comments reflect my concern over my poor toes!! There is less force on them because i'm allowing my body to lower, rather than holding the position.
You are right that as we lower, we have to slow the lowering, and the energy transferred into horizontal movement, and this can increase the forces. But it's not all on my big toes!
I'm be surprised if people don't have the ankle and leg strength to control this lowering.

"I'm be surprised if people don't have the ankle and leg strength to control this lowering."

Regardless if it's a strength issue or not, many people fail to do it. Watch an assortment of men lower from their initial natural turn. Do they release the right toe as they send the body by pushing backwards from the right heel? Or do they lower from the right ball of foot directly onto a left foot already placed to the side, forcing the lady to stumble forward onto her ball of foot without taking her heel lead on step 4?

Actually, I was really wondering whether the rise was the same in Waltz, FoxTrot, and QuickStep. The discussion appears to have diverged somewhat....

Jerry

"Actually, I was really wondering whether the rise was the same in Waltz, FoxTrot, and QuickStep."

Classically no, because the characteristic elements of each dance require different rise. But it gets more interesting if you ask about the rise for a seemingly identical figure performed in a variety of dances.

Well, I suppose the seemingly identical figure that I would think of would be the chasse.

Jerry

If you are discussing the Quarter Turn and Progressive Chasse. It might be worth a look at the good book.The rise on the Quarter Turn is not the same as in the Progressive Chasse. There is also sway on the Quarter Turns , there is none in the Progressive Chasse and we have the NFR coming into this also.As well as CBM we have CBMP. A teacher I once went to said, It is a pity we have the term Quick. When a person says to them self Quick that is what they try to do. Take a look at the the gradual rise which is completed only on the 3rd step of a Progressive Chasse. This teacher I spoke of prefered to use the word up up up instead of Q Q S. It seemed to work with the results he was able to get with his pupils.

Don. my teacher would also say up,up,up, but the third up is on the forth step(the slow) in other words,don't lower to quickly on the slow.

"The rise on the Quarter Turn is not the same as in the Progressive Chasse. There is also sway on the Quarter Turns , there is none in the Progressive Chasse and we have the NFR coming into this also.As well as CBM we have CBMP."

Please take a second look at the book.

The rise on the quarter turn and progressive chasse is the same slow progression. Both use NFR on the first step for the partner inside the turn. It is true that the turn officially has sway and the chasse does not, however in actual practice the difference will be slight - the figures are nearly as symmetric as practical given the differences between right and left in this context.

CBMP placement is used when the preceding figure requires that the first step of the quarter turn be taken outside partner. Due to the offset in the hold, the lady does not need CBMP to step outside her partner with her left foot into the progressive chasse - all ordinary left foot steps go there anyway.

Suomynona. Bit of a mistake there and I took more than one look at the technique book. I have never struck a Progressive Chasse where the lady steps outside the man in step one. According to the book. CBM on one,nobody said that it was anything other than CBM. CBMP on the fifth, which has the man out side the lady on that 5th step, which we all know is the first step of a Natural movement. Or do we. I think what gets lost is a continuence of technique over all the steps. This includes rise and fall. The sway which we do on the Quarter Turn. Which is to the man's right on 2 and 3. Carries on into the first 3 of a Spin Turn lowering on the 3rd step.It doese not alter but remains the same technique. If you are using a different method, and that is altering the basic technique a competent judge will pick it in a flash.
Question in the Waltz. To recover from an Oversway into a Promenade. What is the correct rise and fall. Remember the basic technique which does not alter.

"Bit of a mistake there and I took more than one look at the technique book."

Well, you need to take one more, because the rise and fall of the progressive chasse and the quarter turn to right are identical.

"I have never struck a Progressive Chasse where the lady steps outside the man in step one."

Nevermind, it was a silly comment and not important (the left foot almost always goes outside the partner's right)

"According to the book. CBM on one,nobody said that it was anything other than CBM."

In the quarter turn, if the previous figure ended in a pre-CBMP position, then step one will be taken outside partner in CBMP but will also use a CBM action.

"CBMP on the fifth, which has the man out side the lady on that 5th step, which we all know is the first step of a Natural movement. Or do we."

The fifth step given for the progressive chasse could be the first step of a natural movement such as a quarter turn to right, or it could also be a flat connecting step followed by a reverse movement such as a quick open reverse or chasse reverse.

"The sway which we do on the Quarter Turn. Which is to the man's right on 2 and 3. Carries on into the first 3 of a Spin Turn lowering on the 3rd step."

No, sway never carries beyond the first half of the first step of the next figure. This is why every figure in the book is given through the point of neutralization - sometimes this overlaps the first half of the first step of the next figure, other times it is the first half of a unique step which is in turn followed by the first step of the next figure. Of course it's possible for two figures in succession to have the same sway, but this does not mean that the sway from the first has been carried into the second.

"Question in the Waltz. To recover from an Oversway into a Promenade. What is the correct rise and fall. Remember the basic technique which does not alter."

The oversway does not use characteristic waltz action, but a modification thereof.