Can someone tell me why the man has the unusual amount of turn of just under 3/8 between 1 and 2 and just over 3/8 between 2 and 3 with the body turning less. Why not 3/8 and 3/8? Thanks.

As far as i can see. The Closed Telemark was once a Foxtrot only step. Which has us stepping outside the lady on the next step. If the body were overturned the lady might find it a bit awkward. It still appears to be 3/4 of a turn with the feet all up. Just my thoughts.

It's interesting to compare the amount of turn with the other two reverse heel turns, the double reverse spin and the open telemark. The closed telemark has an amount of turn for the man on the first step intermediate between the two. If I had to guess, this would be because the man does not want to underturn the rotation in the kind of way that suggests he's about to set up for promenade, but he also doesn't want to really crank it in the sort of way that would suggests he's going to continue and send the lady into a DRS.

As far as I can tell the closed telemark is always followed by an outside partner step, in waltz, foxtrot, and quickstep. Or can anyone find a counterexample?

Anonymous. A Closed Telemark can take you straight into a Oversway. The second step can be flat with a sway held onto step three. The first step can be played around with, more to the centre is a nice entry. Not in the technique book guys, just the way it is being done.

Why is it JUST UNDER 3/8 between 1 and 2 and not 3/8? All books say the same.

"Anonymous. A Closed Telemark can take you straight into a Oversway. The second step can be flat with a sway held onto step three."

That's not a closed telemark, but an imposter borrowing its name

Anonymous. For starters the Closed Telemark was a Foxtrot, not a Waltz step. In my old book under Waltz it does not get a mention. In Foxtrot it does, but is called just The Telemark. That saying . "A rose by any other name is still a rose ". applies here.
Foxtrot description. Foreward LF. RF to the side, across LOD.Continue turning on ball ( not toe )of RF.Step to the side and slightly foreward with LF. finish with the body facing wall. Being that this is Waltz there is only 3 steps. If you would care to give it another name be my guest.In Foxtrot there are four steps, stepping outside partner on the fourth step.
In this country we have a style called New Vogue. The style is highly competetive and is a competition event on its own. In one of the dances called the Excelsior that very same step into a Oversway is part of the dance.

Don,

What you are missing is that a figure done without the ordinary rise cannot use the same mechanism for leading a heel turn as a closed telemark does. There is an action in tango which resembles a telemark but using a different (flat, preturned foot) mechanism, and that is what the flat figure some might use as an oversway entry would be like - essentially if you do it that way, you drop out of foxtrot (or waltz) and into tango for a second.

Don. Why do you always alter the message. To me - I don't know the answer - but it's straight forward. Why does the man only dance under 3/8 between 1 and 2 and not 3/8.