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Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by Dave
1/21/2006  4:33:00 AM
Thata what you pay a teacher for ,to teach? If she can't get you to dance it with her then you might need a new teacher. Why are you doing a show when you can't dance?
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by Dave continued
1/21/2006  4:48:00 AM
Sorry. I just get frustated when I hear of students doing shows. I know how many years it took me to become a competant dancer to dance well in international competition so I don't have any respect for these clubs that rush their students into shows just so they can pull in the big bucks.
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by phil.samways
1/22/2006  4:06:00 AM
I agree with Dave's sentiments.
You asked about getting dizzy with viennese waltz.
There is only one solution, but it will take time. You must get on the dance floor and just keep doing the dance. Your brain will adapt to the spinning and over time, the dizziness will become negligible, Your partner must do the same of course. Keep turning the same way for as long as possible - take a break, then do it again.and again....
When i started viennese i, like everyone, had the dizziness problem, but i ignored it and worked on the dance by just practising the movements - often on my own. I found in time that the dizziness disappeared. I can now dance basically continually (i.e. more than 5 minutes) in the one direction without getting dizzy at all. I'm an old wrinkly and it worked for me, so i'm sure it'll work for you.
One additional hint - try practising the dance to slower-than-normal music-even slow waltz. Here in ireland we have the "irish old time waltz" which is like viennese but to 54 bars per minute. If you can find slow music (there is software to slow down music)try it - you'll find it easier to get used to it.
A few other things - changing the direction of rotation does help. Spotting does help.
I don't agree with an earlier posting suggesting thinking of the dance as a linear one with rotation. Maybe at first, but eventually you must think rotation. Apart from the change steps every 8 bars (you're probably not into that)it's a continuous turning movement - that's the character of the dance.
Good luck with your show, and don't mind the dizziness!
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by Onlooker
1/22/2006  7:57:00 PM
"The dancing with the Stars competitors here, some actually took Sea Sick tablets to combat the dizziness". After the first episode the music was slowed down considerably. I agree with Anonymous who wrote the dance is linear. I try to at one part have my back running parallel with the wall, and then the front running parallel. Keep the head to the left at all times At one stage you be will be looking down the LOD, let the head come around with the body. Understand that the Natural Turn starts facing diagonal,to the centre, ( Lady backing ). The Reverse facing LOD, (the lady backing). When changing from Natural to Reverse or Reverse to Natural these alignaments are a must. My own thoughts on this one is, it should be sent back to whence it came. If you ever make the British at Blackpool you will not have to dance the V. Waltz. It's not part of the program. I hope this helps.
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by phil.samways
1/23/2006  3:35:00 AM
Sea-sick tablets are a good idea - might calm me down!
What a shame VW isn't danced in some comps. What could be more pleasurable than dancing to a well played Strauss Waltz?
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by northstar
1/24/2006  12:00:00 AM
I know of three things that help keep from getting dizzy when dancing Viennese Waltz. Two of them are mentioned above.

1) Think linear motion, not rotation.

2) Alternate direction of turn back and forth between natural and reverse.

3) Spotting. Look for certain things such as a window, doorway, or picture on the wall. This kind of spotting is different than the kind done in Latin dances where you keep you head facing in one direction longer than your body. You can't do that here, but you can still look for certain things.

Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by Onlooker
1/24/2006  1:25:00 AM
Something more for the V. Waltz Natural Turn. Only one of the partnership swing at a time , not both together. The person going forward is the one that swings, and it is an upward swing as it comes around. The Reverse is being done these days with very little rise and fall and no sway. Don't try to go around a narrow ballroom with a Reverse Turn. If it is tight you will find you are doing almost no step and feet together. Does not look good. The alignments in both the Natural and Reverse are designed so that the couple will not over rotate and start going around like a roundabout. Getting a bit technical now. Find out the footwork for the 5th step of the Natural as a man. It is different and to do with deceleration ( slowing down) before the Change step which should finish facing LOD ready for the Reverse. Anybody interested there is a little bit of free advice by doing a search for Harry Smith -Hampsire, choose the first one. The other articles are worth reading in particular the one on Adudicating.
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by Rha
1/24/2006  2:57:00 AM
Besides the good advice from Anonymous and North Star I would also add 'blurring' as another possible option. In Blurring one does not focus on anything. Allow the room to 'blur' and stay 'inside your head'. In a physiological terms one is using one's proprioceptive sense rather than vision to keep balanced.

Rha
Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by dgcasey
1/27/2006  6:30:00 PM
Dave, this isn't going to be international competition. It's a showcase, which is just a glorified word for "recital." Just a short show among our fellow students with us bringing family and friends. No judging, no points and no winners or losers.

Well, okay. I forgot. There is some judging. Our studio has a gentleman afilliated with it, who is a national level judge and he will do a judge's worksheet on each couple and then give it to them at the end of the routine. His remarks are for the student and the teacher alone and are not for open display to everyone else.

As for the dizziness, it is starting to go away. I am working a little more on spotting and it seems to be helping.

Re: Spinning the Viennese Waltz
Posted by Ellen
1/30/2006  5:24:00 PM
Dave, That seems a little harsh. Not every student has the time, physical ability, or money to become a serious competitor. But just because they don't, why should they be denied the chance to show their friends and family what they HAVE learned? And having a short-term goal like a showcase can help maintain focus and motivation, especially if a student isn't competing.

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