"A common fault not always picked up by teachers is having danced step 2 of a Natural Turn, in the Waltz, the lady's right side of the body is almost in Promenade Position. This is because the lady allowed her right side to turn away from the man when dancing CBM."

If she is not going to resort to stepping out of the way (instead of dancing CBM), the lady probably will need to turn slightly more than the man does slightly sooner. He will then catch up with her. As long as this doesn't create an excessive gap, there's no problem.

Comparing it to promenade is a questionable thing - a good promenade isn't very different from a closed hold in the upper bodies - a bad promenade on the other hand...

Suomynona,hope you don't mind me asking but are you a qualified professional teacher of dancing in English style?

The accuracy of my information can plainly be observed in the top traditional english couples. That many with certification make beginner mistakes is not my problem.

Do you have anything to actually contribute to the conversation?

I do agree with you on the left hand though - this depressed forearm thing drives me crazy in the IDSF kids.

Hi Suomynona,
/* the lady probably will need to turn slightly more than the man does slightly sooner. He will then catch up with her. */

I get a picture of a book opening and closing. Is that what you intended to convey?

"Hi Suomynona,
/* the lady probably will need to turn slightly more than the man does slightly sooner. He will then catch up with her. */

I get a picture of a book opening and closing. Is that what you intended to convey?"

Yes, but very, very slightly.

The man shouldn't be pushing the lady open, nor should she be opening in anticipation. She should be opening to match his rotation as it evolves, only a small amount more so to insure that he doesn't physically collide with her. This is something non-contact couples are fairly sensitive to, which most depend-on-contact couples miss entirely.

Puzzled. I find that for the lady a none under standing of NFR ( no foot rise ), If she turns at the end of one, and stays there letting the man pass before following up, and not arriving before the man, which takes away his centre. If it feels that the lady has a feeling of going to promenade she has stepped too far back across the LOD on two. Or has been pushed back. As we know starting diag to wall there is 3/8ths between One and Three.

Puzzled,

I would phrase this differently: The partner dancing backwards is turning their hip to match the body swing (CBM) of the partner dancing forward otherwise the partner dancing backwards hips would become an obstruction to the body swing of the forward dancers movement.

Rha

"I would phrase this differently: The partner dancing backwards is turning their hip to match the body swing (CBM) of the partner dancing forward otherwise the partner dancing backwards hips would become an obstruction to the body swing of the forward dancers movement."

It's not just the partner moving backwards whose hips can become an obstruction if CBM is not used in time. When couples overly delay their CBM to the point where they are not substantially rotated by the time they reach the full extent of stride into the CBM step, if the man is more than a small amount taller he can end up with his thigh crashing into the lady. Rotate his hips on time, and the rotated body position means his moving hip, and thus moving thigh, are short distance further clear of the lady who has of course also created more space by rotating her hips on time.