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Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Don
11/14/2006  2:26:00 PM
Anonymous. First are you refering to Latin or Standard. I'm guessing it is Standard
You are saying that you move your body forward without leaning. I would say that leaves me still verticle and not imbalanced. So where does your imbalance come into it
Again there is no imbalance .There is in Latin.
Would you also like to repeat one of your former statements that in Standard the body goes ahead of the foot so that we can go to our DVD's and in slow motion see for ourself.
Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Anonymous
11/14/2006  2:32:00 PM
"I'm guessing it is Standard
You are saying that you move your body forward without leaning. I would say that leaves me still verticle and not imbalanced. So where does your imbalance come into it"

There is imbalance because the body, from the knee up, becomes entirely forward of the standing foot. This means it is not balanced over the only foot bearing weight, which means it is not balanced.

Because the body is vertically aligned from the knee up, no leaning has occured.

You must learn to seperate the idea of leaning (bad) from moving the body weight off of the standing foot while maintaining vertical alignment (good).

Yet once again, I will refer you to frame 2, extension in the learning center forward walk. Although that sequence has some problems overall, frame #2 shows this unbalanced but vertically aligned position that you do not yet understand.

"Would you also like to repeat one of your former statements that in Standard the body goes ahead of the foot so that we can go to our DVD's and in slow motion see for ourself."

That it does and must is the critical concept you do not yet understand. Again, see the referenced image and you must realize that body forward of the standing foot (and hence off balance) is precisely what has been illustrated.

Can you still not see how this does not involve any leaning?
Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Anonymous
11/14/2006  2:39:00 PM
It's high time for ASCII Man.

this man is balanced AND vertical AND aligned:

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This man is vertical and aligned but not balanced because he has moved everything from the knee up forward. In other words he is doing exactly what he should when initiating a heel lead.

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This man is vertical and balanced but not aligned - he has lowered WITHOUT moving his center, which is in many cases a fatal mistake:

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Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Don
11/14/2006  4:40:00 PM
Anonymous. You have forgotten to bend the knee which will put your shin to an angle of 45 degrees, with your heel to the floor at the same angle 45 degrees.
For those of you who are new to this and wish to make a working model of what is a natural movement.
Get a shopper docket or any simular piece of paper. With the list of purchases facing your left. Fold at about an inch with a crease to the right. About 2 inches above that a crease to left, 2 inches above that a crease to the right. It doesn't matter what size the peice of paper is. I am using an unopened letter which is probably better than a shopper docket. The top is your body. The bottom are your feet. Hold the body verticle and concertina the whole thing so that the feet are 45 degrees and the shin and the thigh at 45 degrees. Allow the feet to touch down Keeping the body upright. Do you see that the third fold is over the first fold. The front of this model is with the first crease at the bottom to the right.
I am not into Physics but I believe a steel upright which had rusted at those same places as the piece of paper is folded.If it collapsed it would behave the same. Thats why I call it a natural movement.







Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Anonymous
11/14/2006  9:06:00 PM
"Anonymous. You have forgotten to bend the knee which will put your shin to an angle of 45 degrees"

No, Don. I am bending my knee - remember I said moving the knee and everything above it forward. And I am bending my ankle. But I am bending nothing else - which is at it should be.

Your mistake is to put an extra bend at the waist, so that your knee goes forward while your body stays over your foot. That is simply and plainly WRONG!

Your center must go forward with the knee.

period.
Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Anonymous
11/14/2006  9:14:00 PM
"You have forgotten to bend the knee which will put your shin to an angle of 45 degrees, with your heel to the floor at the same angle 45 degrees."

Don,

Go look at learning center forward walk 2 extension as I have been telling you to for months, then come back here and tell us if the standing knee is or isn't bent?

And where is the body - balanced over the foot? No, it is forward of the foot, OFF ITS BLOODY BALANCE.

Are you blind, man?
Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Don
11/15/2006  8:44:00 PM
Anonymous. Stand upright. Knees slightly relaxed, but not bent. Put the weight of the body onto the balls of the feet but not letting the heels leave the floor Do not alter the upright position of the body. You are now in the correct position to commence a Walk.
Looking at picture two. The back heel is still on the floor. The moving foot has changed from the ball of the foot to a heel. At this time I would say the heel should be leaving the floor.
As the supporting heel does leave the floor the moving leg is being pushed untill at the end of the stride we are suspended between two straightish legs. On the heel of the front foot and the toe of the back. The weight continues to move forward intill it reaches that neutral position where the knees are again flexed. I would say by some of your remarks it leads me to believe that your teacher still lives in a bygone age. They would not have had such flexed knees in the beginning or at the end of the step in those days, in fact they would have been straight. Thoes days are gone forever.
For the purpose of this description. "Take the weight over the left foot only and proceed . You know where that came from don't you.
Does that answer your question about being balanced over the foot.
Knees bent at the beginning and at the end", which becomes the beginning of the next step. Of course the knee is bent in picture two. Who would arrive on a bent knee and then straighten it when the next step calls for a flexed knee on which the ball of the foot is moving. You should try that on two straight legs.
Surly you don't still preach that the weight is never equally distributed between the front foot and the back foot at the same time.. And do you still believe that the foot front or back doesn't go to the last part of the toe.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by asking me if the standing is or isn't bent.
I can assure you since day one I have not altered a thing. What I wrote then is what I write now.
Would you call the knees straight on picture three. I would. Not as straight as in the Rumba, but for describing modern they are.
straight.
The answer to one of your questions. Is the knee bent yes.
I will continue by saying. It is soon to be straight. How could it not be especially if the push is right to the end of the toe.
I'd better put you right on one thing. Because the weight is split as in picture three it is balanced. Do you remember those old fashioned scales where the potatoes were on one side and the weights were on the other, and the balance was equall.
Keep learning you might get there one day, but not very soon unless you get rid of that ego thing.
One last thing . We are never off balance never.
Re: Physics of a Step
Posted by Anonymous
11/16/2006  7:22:00 AM
"Anonymous. Stand upright. Knees slightly relaxed, but not bent. Put the weight of the body onto the balls of the feet but not letting the heels leave the floor Do not alter the upright position of the body. You are now in the correct position to commence a Walk."

Perhaps yes, but it's what comes next where you get it wrong.

"One last thing . We are never off balance never."

You obviously haven't take a careful look at picture two, even though I've been pointing you at it for months.

Picture two clearly shows that as the knee bends forward, the entire body has moved forward of the standing toe.

At this point the body is off balance.

Trying to claim that the body in that picture is balanced over the standing foot is nothing less than an admission that you are BLIND.

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