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posture of the lady
Posted by Anonymous
1/7/2007  8:54:00 AM
We started to dance (ballroom) about 1 1/2 years ago. Because of our big difference in size (22 cm) taking hold is quite difficult for us. Now we have a question about the lady´s basic posture. Our dance teachers told us, that the lady should bring the right side of her body close to the man, while streching the left side diagonally backwards and to the left (away from the man). But when you look at other advanced couples, the position of the lady looks different. It seems as if the lady would bring her left side closer to her partner, while taking away the right side a little bit more. The link below confirms this impression, because it says that the lady rotates the blocks of her body to the right. So can you tell us, why our position to eachother is so different from what is said in the link? Do beginners start with our kind of posture? We think, that it would be very important for us, to have the right posture as soon as possible, because of our difference in size. In our case, the arms of the man are much longer than the lady´s arms and so it would be very important to build up a big frame.

http://www.psrg.lcs.mit.edu/~sheldon/dance/massabda2006/posturepoise.html
Re: posture of the lady
Posted by Waltz123
1/7/2007  1:54:00 PM
This is a tough one to fully describe with words, and even more difficult to get right without supervision. But I'll give you some ideas that might satisfy your curiosity, and leave it to a hands-on instructor to put it to use.

The lady needs to be aware of both her left and right sides, however, each has a different "role". The left side is picked up and projected forward internally, whereas the right side is picked up to the man.

To get the feeling of the internal pick-up of the left side, sit in a chair to immobilize the lower half of your body. With your fingertips on your sternum and elbows stretched outward, rotate your top to the left, then return to neutral, then rotate to the right, then return to neutral.

While twisting to one side or the other, take the forehead in the opposite direction. For example, when the sternum is rotated to the right, the left side of your back is picked up and forward, which gives your head the support it needs to stretch leftward and backward. You can work on stretching this position by keeping the fingers of just the right hand on your sternum whil placing the fingers of your left hand on your forehead, and pulling them in opposite directions. (Of course, you will need to switch hands when rotating to the opposite side).

The twist to the right (head left) represents closed position, as well as outside partner on right. The twist to the left (lead right) represents promenade position, as well as outside partner on left.

Remember, however, that the forward projection of your left side is an internal position. That is to say, it is entirely a matter of how the parts of your body are positioned in relationship to each other, not to anything outside of the body (such as a partner). You could, for example, have your back to the man and still have your left side picked up and projected forward within your own body. In other words, how you relate to the man does not need to affect how you position yourself internally.

This is an important distinction, because most lady students who first learn how to project the left side forward tend to do so with the body as a whole, literally rotating around the man. This takes the lady's right side away from the man, diminishing the most crucial point of contact. This might be your teacher's complaint.

Once you've established your internal position, then your job while walking into position with the man is to give him your right side. If you have a tendencey to "go around the corner", as it were, then you need to take the position of your body as a whole and turn it slightly to the left, giving him your right side. Within your body, your left side will still be picked up, but your right side will now be connected to the man.

I hope this explanation makes sense. As I said, it's difficult to put into words without any visual aid. But perhaps I've at least answered your question as to how both sides play into the lady's position. Throughout your dance career, sometimes teachers will pick on your left side, and other times your right. Which side they pick on depends on which is lacking -- The internal (projection and pick up of left side) or the external (pick up and connection of right side/rib to man).

Regards,
Jonathan Atkinson
www.ballroomdancers.com
Re: posture of the lady
Posted by Anonymous
1/8/2007  7:26:00 AM
Readers will, I trust, note that the above emphasis on the forward left side being an internal position rather than one of the full body amounts to a description of a TWIST or rotatinoal stretch within the body. Not to any extreme of course, but it is there, and is important.

And I thought it was quite well explained, too. Though of course it is not exactly easy to communicate how the lady's left side can be strongly forward, while also being back to fill out the frame.

Re: posture of the lady
Posted by quickstep
1/8/2007  2:04:00 PM
The word Twist was sitting in a chair as an excercise. Sitting in a chair and turning allows no turning of the rest of the body with the turning of the upper body.Tell me if that is right or wrong.
Re: posture of the lady
Posted by Waltz123
1/8/2007  9:12:00 PM
That is correct. This is a rotary isolation which uses the muscles of the back around the spine. You will therefore be rotating your spine to some degree. For example, if you begin facing a wall, you might turn your sternum towards diagonal wall, while your knees and even your belly button remain pointing towards the wall.

Different people have different limits; I'd estimate mine to be about 30 degrees or slightly more to either direction. That's fairly normal.

I should point out that while dancing, one does not begin and then remain fixed in a fully extended position throughout. Not only is it strenuous, but it's quite stiff and lacking in artistic value.

If I were to mesaure the level of extension on a scale of 0 to 10 (10 being maximum and 0 being neutral with nose, sternum and belly button in vertical alignment), I would take dance position at "level 5", and spend most of the dance hovering between 5 and 10. The only time I go below 5 is when I'm transitioning to the other side (ie promenade or left outside shape), whereby I pass through 0 to get to the other side. I hope that makes sense.

Regards,
Jonathan

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