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Rumba confusion
Posted by Trebor
1/29/2007  11:57:00 AM

I am a beginner, although a few years ago I took a few lessons at Arthur Murray to pepare for my daughter's wedding. When I was taught the rumba at AM's, I learned to do the leader's part of the box step by stepping forward with the left foot and counting "slow-quick-quick". Now I am taking rumba at another studio and the teacher wants us to do the rumba box step by stepping to the side with the left foot and counting "quick-quick-slow" instead of "slow-quick-quick".

I asked her why and she says
Aurthur Murray teaches "slow-quick-quick", but the rest of the world does it her way.

Won't this be a potential problem when someday I dance with someone from a different studio?

Please help. I'm confused!

Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by operabob
1/29/2007  12:48:00 PM
Hmmmmmmm!

Interesting.

My understanding is AM originally developed American style rumba as a simplified multipurpose dance that could be danced to several styles of music and not just rumba. (I'm not that aware of all the intricacies of American Style though).

The competitions you see on television are more likely "International Style" rumba danced strictly to rumba music(although you can always find other forms to fit. My wife and I sometimes practice Slow Foxtrot to Rumba, etc.).

I suspect your new teacher is teaching you International Style. However, from what you write I'm not quite sure.

AM developed American Rumba because International Style is a syncopated dance with a hip settling on the strong "one" beat but the foot action delayed to "two". Most beginners have difficulty finding and stepping on the second beat. American Rumba steps on the strong "one" beat and is easier for most beginners.

International Style has a "quick, quick, slow" type action but not until the 2nd beat. When we teach our beginners we prefer to count it as "hip, 2, 3, 4, hip, 2, 3, 4, etc."

2, 3 would be quicks while I suppose you might call the "4, hip" as a slow.

So if your teacher is teaching you to settle the hip before the "quick, quick, slow" then I guess your learning International. However, if you're starting the first quick one "one" then I'm not sure what your learning.

OB
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by quickstep
1/29/2007  3:03:00 PM
Trebor. Thank heavens. A question on Latin. Take a copy of Operabob's writting and you wont be wrong.I would like to add a little bit of history here. Untill ( I think it was 1965 ) there was no Latin competitions as we know them today, although Wally Laird had already written a book in 1960 which we now call the International Style due to the efforts of Wally Laird. Doris Laval. and Piere. Prior to them the Rumba was the box Rumba which was counted Q Q S. This is more in keeping with the now International Style. AM just wanted to be different, maybe. Best of luck. You shouldn't have any trouble switching from QQS to SQQ or leading. Its no big deal. I would stick to the QQS. That's if you are starting with a step to the side on the LF and close with the RF. Step forward LF.
For those who are interested I was just this minute looking at Paul Killick's Web Site. And what do I see.
On his hugh Valentines day party.
Paul Killick and Hanna Karttunen demonstrating.
Their first show since reuniting.
February 14th tickets &15. If you happen to be in London on that date. That at this moment doesn't say if they are once again in the competition field. But together again they are. Google. Paul Killick. Very picturesque site ,

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