I've been watching the Feather Step .The method now is as Len Scrivener wtote. The technique book is wrong. at the end of the second step we are on the way down. With the compression being used on all of the driving steps, and they really get low to the floor. The foot is way ahead of the body. Its possibly the only way it can be done from that position.I've been watching one of the top German couple Ferrugia and Koller. After driving off the supporting foot the knee of the supporting foot is about 9 to 12 inches from the floor, the moving thigh is at a right angle to the floor and that is low. The Quickstep for obvious reasons they dont get as low to the floor. Having said that the current Amateur Champion on occasions got pretty low in that dance. So we seem to have an aquired action and a lower down the ladder action which in many cases is none at all. Footnote. If you push off the back foot who in there right mind would think they are still over it. That is where the front leg comes into play otherwise you will fall over. The ball then the heel being moved by the standing leg.

"I've been watching the Feather Step"

Good. So I trust you now acknowledge the error of your previous posts, and are ready to recognize that:

1) Jonathan is lowering his right heel while his feet are still apart.

2) He is not falling backwards as he does so.

"The method now is as Len Scrivener wtote. The technique book is wrong. at the end of the second step we are on the way down."

As has been pointed out to your numerous aliases numerous times, the technique book does not actually contradict this, because the technique book does not address the part of the loss of altitude that is due to the division of the legs.

"Footnote. If you push off the back foot who in there right mind would think they are still over it. That is where the front leg comes into play otherwise you will fall over."

No! the front leg will not come into play until substantially after you have pushed off the back foot. The are still ON the back foot, even though you are no longer OVER it. Learn to understand the difference!

New Vogue- that's what I meant- the standing foot! LOL- thank you for phrasing that better.

I've waited a while untill enough has been said.
Who beleives that they can change what is acepted as the correct technique and do a please themselves job.If it hadn't been for a techniquue book it is possible that some would be dancing absolutly flat on the floor. Or heel leads in the Rumba. One very important gentelman wrote. If it is going to be accepted, and marked by adjudicators and it is not part of the correct technique then the technique book must be rewritten to accomedate which ever part is being questioned.
If it is to be accepted as correct that the front heel lowers to the floor whilst the feet are apart. Then next year how far apart will the feet be then when the heel lowers.
Lets go to the extreme. What would you say if on the Feather Step somebody reintroduced the Lock Step as it was in the very early 20' s. After a better way was found the technique book on that was rewritten.
So the question is . Do you think that you can alter the correct technique as printed in the book.
Or do you think should abide by the correct technique as it is in the books. Yes or No.
Lets look at this one. The body moving before the foot. The movement is from the heel to the ball which would be several inches. Once the weight gets to the ball the foot takes over. Isn' t that what the technique book is telling you. If not why doesn' t it say get your weight in front of your front foot. It at no time says that, does it. It says from a closed position the weight must always be bought forward over the balls of the foot before the foot is moved. I will say again. At no time does it say the body gets in front of the front foot.

Yes, "weight over" and "weight in front of" are two very different things.

If this can be itemised as in frame by frame. Wouldn' t you say that at the full extent of the stride the heel is on the floor the toe isn' t. As out weight arrives over that foot the toe has been lowered. Our weight is passing from over the heel to over the ball. Page 10. There is your body moving before the foot has moved but only to the ball of the foot. Unless you are doing Latin the body will not go any further forward than the leg.

" Who beleives that they can change what is acepted as the correct technique and do a please themselves job."

Apparently you do, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing with those who are explaining the accepted technique to you.

"If it is to be accepted as correct that the front heel lowers to the floor whilst the feet are apart. Then next year how far apart will the feet be then when the heel lowers."

In both years they will be the appropriate distance apart.

"So the question is . Do you think that you can alter the correct technique as printed in the book."

Yes, but I do so very rarely. Your mistake is thinking that I'm doing so, when IN FACT I AM NOT. The details I am arguing about are details of SITUATIONS THAT ARE NOT FULLY DOCUMENTED IN THE BOOK, HENCE THEY CANNOT CONFLICT WITH THE BOOK - because the book doesn't have anything to say that contradicts me on this.

"Lets look at this one. The body moving before the foot. The movement is from the heel to the ball which would be several inches. Once the weight gets to the ball the foot takes over. Isn' t that what the technique book is telling you. If not why doesn' t it say get your weight in front of your front foot."

Becuase projecting your weight beyond your standing foot is the natural action. Fail to do so, any real teacher will take you to task for your error!

"At no time does it say the body gets in front of the front foot."

Actually it DOES say that, when it reminds you to feel that the BODY MOVES BEFORE THE FOOT. If we start with the body over the feet and the feet closed, than ANY movement of the body PRECEDING movement of the foot MUST PUT THE BODY AHEAD OF THE FOOT.

i think you mean the foot passes not closes. That could be a Waltz. As the book says the weight moves from the heel to the balls of the feet before a foot is moved. You will notice that right there there is a full stop. End of subject. Page 10 if you would like to look.
Now you tell me on what page does it says continue to move the weight forward ahead of the feet.
Remember we are discussing what is written in the book. Some people will do it with a difference I would imagine. But this is not how Fred Flintstone does it. It is all about the correct technique as is written in the book. Because that is the only written guide we have to consult. I corresponded with a guy who in his country there are no professional teachers. Dancing is popular mainly Latin because standard is more difficult. We have to teach ourselves we have no choice. Without a technique book where would they be.

"i think you mean the foot passes not closes. That could be a Waltz. As the book says the weight moves from the heel to the balls of the feet before a foot is moved. You will notice that right there there is a full stop."

DEAD WRONG.

"Page 10 if you would like to look."

WRONG. There is no instruction there to stop the progress of the weight.

If you think there is, quote the exact sentance. Otherwise, kindly shut up.

"It is all about the correct technique as is written in the book."

The correct technique as written in the book is for a smooth and sustained motion, not any of the stop-and-start nonsense you've been advocating.

CAn i just ask. Which book are we talking about?