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Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by Quickstep
4/18/2007  2:45:00 AM
Once the correct count is firmly esablished it will be found to be uncomfortable to dance on anything other than the off beat.That is stepping Forward for a Checked Walk on the count of two with the music. For those reading for possibly the first time this is the International Style of Rumba. Where there are three steps and four beats, The fourth beat is not a step. It is a settling of the hip, just like you might make a hip for a child to sit on whilst waiting for a bus. That is refered to as a Latin Hip. Which is only done in Latin dances and is also known as a Latin Motion. There is a lot of bad teaching out there, so be choosy and learn properly.
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by Anonymous
4/18/2007  2:38:00 PM
"Once the correct count is firmly esablished it will be found to be uncomfortable to dance on anything other than the off beat.That is stepping Forward for a Checked Walk on the count of two with the music. For those reading for possibly the first time this is the International Style of Rumba."

Yes, that is right for international rumba.

But it is DEAD WRONG for american rhumba, which is no less a proper dance for using timings other than that used by international.

Practicing one timing alone can cause a bit of lock-in, which helps explain why some american style dancers who always dance one of the two timings may be unwilling to follow someone dancing the other.
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by Anon
4/18/2007  8:24:00 AM
It is true, that Arthur Murray had always danced the American Style "BOX" rumba with a forward step being the first step which was on a slow count. Fred's did the opposite and danced the first step as a step to the side on the count Quick. Independants have done this both ways, depending on the influence they may have had. The DIVIDA syllabus which is used alot anymore, dances the American Rumba like AM with the first step being a forward step on the Slow count. Myself personally, I like the Fred's way of dancing this with a side step first on the quick count. Whoever above who thought you were being taught Intl Style Rumba was wrong. If your teacher mentioned that Am did it this way, and fred's did it this way......there is no mistake that they are talking about the American Style "Box" Rumba. I do agree with whoever above said that your teacher is just trying to sell you that their way is right. I teach at a studio that uses the DIVIDA syllabus, and therefore for uniformity I will teach it with a forward step on slow as the first step. I grew up dancing Int'l Style, so I guess I really dont care. But I will teach it however the studio I work for wants it to be taught.
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by Stuart
4/18/2007  9:03:00 AM
There is a simpler answer to the original question: it doesn't matter whether two members of a couple have learned a dance slightly differently, once you step out onto the dance floor the man leads and the lady follows. That's it!
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by Anonymous
4/18/2007  2:08:00 PM
You would think that the lady would follow! At a social dance a few weeks ago I was asked to dance rumba with a lady I kinda knew. I asked Int. or American. She says American. I start with SQQ and she says no no no no--QQS.
We fumbled through the dance with her QQS. I think she was a teacher at one time at Fred Astaire. Don't think I'll be dancing Rumba again with her anytime soon.
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by kimba1177
4/26/2007  8:56:00 PM
am a beginner, although a few years ago I took a few lessons at Arthur Murray to pepare for my daughter's wedding. When I was taught the rumba at AM's, I learned to do the leader's part of the box step by stepping forward with the left foot and coun


That is a good point, but don't get yourself too confused about this -either way is correct. If you continue the box step you still repeat and end up back at a "quick quick" for a side together and a Slow for your forward and back. you are just starting at a different point.
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by JAcques
4/26/2007  10:17:00 PM
That is right. It all comes to the same thing in the end. Enjoy the dance above all.
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by terence2
8/11/2007  2:06:00 AM
Actually-- not true. if one is dancing to clave rhythm , then the developememnt from danzon, was commencing side left on q.q..

Its also the same for Guaracha .


Does it make a difference -- yes -- you are interprating different instruments in the musical construction.

International style Rumba, also follows the same accent, with one distinct difference-- commencing fwd break on left foot .

Its predecessor, Bolero, begins in the opposite direction, commencing side left (s ) and breaks on 3 of the bar, right foot -- q , backwards .

It also follows the " call and response " of latin music in general .
Whether dancing open or closed styles the integrity of the origins, should really be maintained .
Rumba confusion
Posted by Sami
4/27/2007  4:15:00 AM
Well Trebor, I can see your confusion as a bigginer it is very difficult to understand why people teach differently!

But it's similar to cha cha, the count may be said 1,2 cha cha cha, but as you progress in dancing and you start to dance turns ect, you may find that you might be dancing, 2,3,4 and 1, or 2 and 3. It depends on the steps and the routine.

But as a bigginer all routines should be similar in most ways, I would say as long as you get the steps right and put them in the right count you'll be fine!

Have fun with your Rumba!
Re: Rumba confusion
Posted by Doug
7/25/2007  5:30:00 AM
Quickstep. The international Rumba and latin competitions started long before you mentioned. I took my silver leval in latin in 1958 in Brandon London. It was the same as is taught today except the timing was a little faster for Rumba. Cheers

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