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Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Serendipidy
9/17/2007  7:15:00 PM
Terence2. I think the young lady, I say young and a lady because of the splitz she wants to do. I think she means the Basics with the Chasses which is the only thing that would qualify as a Cha excercise. Apart from that i would explain that a Front or Back Basic is a Walk Checked. A New York the same and a Spot Turn is a Walk Turning. You'll notice the Walk comes first. The Check or turn second.
I have no idea why Walley Laird in his book describes a Checked Forward Walk and at the same time the ladies step as a Backward Walk only. If we go to a New York for both we have a Checked Forward Walk. On a Spot Turn the Walk comes first. There probably is a reason which I can't see. Can anybody else.
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Iluv2Dance
9/18/2007  10:08:00 AM
Hi Serendipidy
Not quite sure what you are asking. Are you referring to the counter-part of a Checked Walk?
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Cherin
9/18/2007  10:58:00 AM
thanks for replies. :)

One more question i forget. Was about the ballet barre against a mirror.
What exactly is it called and where can it be sourced. ?

Thanks again ppl.
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Serendipidy
9/18/2007  3:41:00 PM
luv2dance. IDTA book.Page 129. Closed Basic. Mans step LF forward a Checked FWD Walk... Ladies Step RF back a Backward Walk. Surely it is a BKW Checked.
Whilst we are on the subject of technique. A turnout of the feet. This will encourage a student to turn the toe out. It should be turn the heel in and not the toe out. If I place my front foot on the Ball and then flat and then turn the toe out. My heel should turn in, not my toe out. Do you get the picture. Best Wishes.
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Iluv2Dance
9/19/2007  12:34:00 AM
Hello Serendipity,
This year, at the Blackpool Winter Gardens - straight after the British, I attended a lecture on the Latin technique by Ken Akrill, who is an examiner for the UKAPTD. It was their Congress. He explained that quite a lot of professional students did not understand the counter-part to the Checked Walk and why was it not named a Checked Backward Walk. To explain this, Ken said I know this is a childish way to explain this difference, but it does work. He said stand in poise, as lady, to do a Basic Movement. Now allow your shoulders to move back over your heels so that your body weight becomes back weighted. Now when you step back you will feel the body weight wants to continue to move back. Ken then said if this was the correct poise then we would need a Checked Backward Walk to counteract this. For the readers who are not familiar with the poise, the weight should be forward and not backward, so because of this the Checked Forward Walk was introduced. Ken continued to say that this often causes a problem by the gent who does not allow the arms in the hold to move forward to allow the lady to settle her weight into the back foot. Of course, the arms are returned to normal hold on the next step. Postscript. A couple asked a coach if he would teach them the 'YoYo' in the CCC. It turned out the couple had bought a Slavik and Karina DVD and in a routine Slavik dances a Checked Forward Walk and extends the arms forward to allow Karina to settle the hip. The move is danced very sharp and the return of the arms gives the impression of a YoYo. The new Latin technique book, with amendments, by Ken, should now be on sale from the UKA office, Blackpool. It's excellent value at £12.50. I know this site does not stock the book.
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by terence2
9/19/2007  4:05:00 AM
That variation ( yo yo ) has been danced for many moons-- often refered to as an " elastic band " feel and look .


As to Kens explanation,there are obvious hidden dangers, by getting the lady, too" back weighted " .

Also, the term " checked B/ward walk- may denote gramatically , that the following action , is going to continue in the same direction .

The return to any opposing direction, requires skills that most newcomers may not have already acquired .

These types of checked actions , are very prevalent in Salsa, where the speeds are appreciably faster .
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Iluv2Dance
9/19/2007  6:28:00 AM
Hi Terence2,

/* As to Kens explanation,there are obvious hidden dangers, by getting the lady, too" back weighted " */

I have to point out that Ken did not advocate that the lady should be back weighted. The example shown, in the lecture, was for all to see that it was not necessary to have a Checked Backward Walk because the weight of the body is forward. It would only become necessary if the body weight was back weighted. Sorry for not explaining it better.
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by terence2
9/19/2007  7:33:00 AM
Capiche
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Serendipidy
9/19/2007  3:08:00 PM
There isn't a great deal of difference between a Basic Walk in the Rumba or the Cha apart from the speed..I'm with Alan Fletcher who says, on my Video, that the Rumba is made up of Forward or Backward Walks including the quarter turn between a front and back Basic. And to avoid showing a gap between the thighs. In a lecture given on the Gold Coast, which I have videoed, he repeated Wally Laird who said once what he would do if he sees a gap between Hazel's thighs once more. It was added that Wally had a way with words.
I can see that if the step is Back Weighted the hip action might become less fluid. This then will also apply to the man's Back Basic. Who in there right mind would send their weight over the back in a Backward Walk anyway, checked or not.
The part mentioned from the lecture at Blackpool is refering to Slavik's Cha DVD when Slavik says we will do this and the only reason Karina will do it is because she knows the choreography. Then he proceeds to show how to do it correctly when the hold through the body is used correctly
Re: Cha cha Cha Urgent Help....
Posted by Iluv2Dance
9/19/2007  11:56:00 PM
/* I can see that if the step is Back Weighted the hip action might become less fluid. This then will also apply to the man's Back Basic. Who in there right mind would send their weight over the back in a Backward Walk anyway, checked or not.*/

Hi to All,
Back weighted. This was just an example exercise, during the lecture, to show that if the body was held in such a poise (WHICH IT IS NOT! excuse the shouting) then a Checked Backward Walk (CBW) would become necessary. The original query was, 'Why is there not a CBW when stepping back, as the counter-part to a Checked Forward Walk (CFW)?' The answer is because the weight of the body is FORWARD! and it is not required. (Remember: There is no such step called a Checked Backward Walk) But, if the weight of the body poise was back ... Regarding the New York. Both gent and lady have the correct forward poise so it's necessary to dance a CFW. The Spot Turns. Today's technique in the ISTD and the UKA Latin books(not Laird)describe two methods of dancing a Spot Turn. The first and most popular way of dancing this figure, is to keep one foot in place whilst making the turn on step one. This method requires a Forward Walk Turning on step one. The second method, over the first two steps,is to dance two forward walks turning strongly to the right or left. Of course, this method of turning does not require keeping the other foot in place. Now whether you personally dislike the second method, or not, it can be danced and it would be required for a candidate in a professional examination to be fully conversant with this method for a qualification in the ISTD or the UKAPTD.

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