try a three step...
on the 2nd step you bring your partner in front of you..
then continue
(i am assuming int. style)

Yes this works
It takes a bit getting used to by the ladies, they seem to expect a left turn
move and shiver when I try to make the
2nd step progressive i.e RfFw&Up

Thanks
Michael

I find it even more interesting getting a figure that PRECEEDES the Feather Step which does neither alter the Feather's first step to be in outside position nor in PP. Of course I know we can build sequences with a Feather Ending or something, but that would be a little bit confusing for our hobby dancers. The only situation; I know, leading to an original Feather Step is a Nat. Turn or an figure ending with a heel pull, but this would result in a sequence with 4 SLOWs which is a little bit too slow regarding the slow Slowfox musical tempo.

When I first learnt do do the Foxtrot it was common to start the Feather Step down the LOD to be followed by a Three Step and a Natural Turn. Which because of the alignment gave us 1/2 a turn on the Ladies Heel Turn which is in the technique book if that alignment is used. Only after that was learnt did we continue with a Feather and a Reverse Turn. Why do I think that is better, because it gives a better understanding of the change from a Left shoulder leading to a Right shoulder leading. Once learnt it should make it easier to apply it to the other moves.

We do NOT use the term " shldr " in technique any more-- that was changed 20 yrs ago !!-- right side or left side -- please .+

Terence . I dont think Alex Moore was far wrong When he wrote the action of turning the hip and the shoulder towards the direction of the moving leg. Page 15. If I refere to the part of my body which will be the furthest forward it will be my shoulder. To lead with my shoulder and not turn my body. Only an idiot would try to do it that way. Which is as bad as not rotating at all.

The problem that the term " right shldr " created, was the fact that many did NOT use the body-- the term was abandoned by the ISTD and others as an explanation ,and was ammended in the Rev, Techn.to read " side " .

I championed that cause for many yrs .

As to the original Rev. Techn.--- many changes have been made in terminology and techn. ( Alex didnt get it" ALL" , right ! )

Would like to add this to the mix-- the newest theory on rev. turns ( as given by Eggleton )-- a sympathetic or minimised CBM on rev, and the opposite for Nat. turns (closed L.I.L. )

"Page 15. If I refere to the part of my body which will be the furthest forward it will be my shoulder"

It had better not be in a reverse turn!

As terence pointed out, understanding of CBM has developed over the years to the point that we now know that reverse actions needs to be danced very differently from natural ones. Reverse cbm is minimal compared to natural, and it tends to show up in the hips rather than the shoulders - meaning that the right shoulder must not be the furthest forward body part in a reverse turn. In fact if you do it right there will be a strong feeling as if your LEFT shoulder still is, though that probably won't be quite literally true.

At the end of the Feather Step we come into a completely neutral position. How could anyone possibly think that the side or shoulder would be in front at that point. This is also referred to as a balance point

"At the end of the Feather Step we come into a completely neutral position. How could anyone possibly think that the side or shoulder would be in front at that point. This is also referred to as a balance point"

Because all ordinary positions in an offset hold are left-side dominated, the "neutral" position will be. So in fact will the positions that we call right side leading - they are still left-side dominated. The right side arrives first in such situations, but the left side is still dominant.

To allow the right side to become dominant, especially in a reverse turning action, is a FATAL mistake. The world has improved its description of the proper form of reverse actions quite a bit since the original days - and that is in part why the "shoulder leading" langauge has long ago fallen out of favor.