As I understand it the NATD took the technical elements of Henry's original book and published it as the revised technique.

Even back in 1940 Henry made reference to differences in his book and "the present orthodox technique".

Seven of the 570 pages in the book are given to discussion of rise and fall as applied to the different dances. He includes graphs showing the rise and fall relative to step timing and distance traveled. The graphs show a straight line for waltz and a curve for foxtrot. Regarding the feather step he says,
"The rise is gradual and commences at the end of the first step. Maximum height is reached at the end of the second step in actual practice, and not at the end of the third step. As the third step is taken, the height is very slightly lowered in preparation for the lowering of the right heel at the end of the step".

Before anyone jumps on his use of the word gradual, he does not use it in the same context as we do currently for the waltz, but to indicate that there is no instant rise at the end of step one. He later refers to the waltz rise as "a straight line graph, not curved as in foxtrot" and also as "different" and "delayed".

He also gives detailed descriptions of rise and fall when moving backwards, much of which became redundant when the term No Foot Rise was introduced in later years.

Moving onto the ladies footwork for the CoD. Bear in mind that because of the unusual turn the lady is not drawing her foot back, but to the side or even forward, so she uses the toe instead of the heel.

Len and henry pretty much agreed on the lowering aspects of the Feather .

SocialDancer. Could you explain your last paragraph. what is meant by CoD. I know it can't be Cash On Delivery. Billy Irvine in a lecture given in Singapore said Quote.In the Waltz he stressed on the first accentuated beat. In the Foxtrot he stressed on the accentuation of the third beat. No names but another coach known to us all in the Waltz likes a strong second beat and thats what he teaches. The dancing personality who wrote The Natural Turn was first introduced in December 1922 and all these years later they are still arguing on how it should be done. I suppose we must take our lead from how it is being done by those who should know.

If you remember you were discussing the footwork of the Change of Direction (CoD)

SocialDancer. To change the subject slightly. We can all find Marcus Hilton on youtube, or we have watched Timothy Howson in the 06 Foxtrot final from the British. Both on their introduction steps. Has it been noticed which beat they use. I did use the word beat and not beats if you notice.

I think we have already gone too far and spent too much time off topic. This thread is about forward walk turning in rumba or cha.

SocialDancer. If we go back to the original question the answer lies in the Technique Book. On the Second POSITION No 2 ( WHICH IS DOWN AS STEP 2 of the Spot Turn. Weight transfer in place . Which often gets misread. The second step is not a Walk it is in this case RF in place. The next step is a Walk Turning as it is written in the book.
I'll add a bit more to that. As we know there is a hip settling before the Spot Turn just as there is on any walk. As we take step 1 on beat 2 turning to the right the right hip will be higher than the left( what goes up must come down ) it settles on an (and) count.On three the right hip will be up. Then to the side and the left hip is the highest on beat 4. And so on and so forth. It doesn't matter if it is a Checked Walk or whatever the technique remains the same. To get the feel of this it is a good idea to stand feet apart all the weight on the left leg which is straight. The right leg to the side on the toe with the leg also straight. Then simply pass the weight from one side to the other which means from the right hip which is the highest to a neutral position and then to the other side with the other hip the highest. This should be done at the beginning of a class and exlain this is what is happening all the time. We don' t want that 2 step beat 3 to be muted and devoid of any action..

lluv2Dance. Ladies footwork on the Change of Direction. On step two Toe, then inside edge of Toe which must lower and the Heel must be down in contact with the floor. Then inside edge of Toe of right foot. If a heel was used it could result in an ugly toe raised. What does Henry say.
I wonder if you can look at the action of the Feather Step. Does he say rise at the end of step one meaning on two we are already as high as we are going to be on step three. That there is no graduall rise as in the Waltz from one, to two and to three. Anybody who might have some of the other books that have been written since. Do they all agree. It is noticable if we study to see that on step three , as the foot draws level with step two our better dancers are about as high as it is possible to be on the toes at that point. Especially Hawkins.
Richard Gleave has one of those books always on hand in his studio so I was told by somebody who has lessons with him. Best Wishes. Has the headache gone. .

"Does he say rise at the end of step one meaning on two we are already as high as we are going to be on step three."

Rise at the end of step one does not mean that you will reach your full height at this point, as reviewing any video would show. Instead, it means that the rising actions in the feet are complete - however, the body will continue to gain altitude as the legs close during step two, reaching its peak altitude only at the end of step two, and then starting gradually downwards via leg division even before the formal foot lowering occurs at the end of step three.

Once again, you assume a meaning that not only isn't in the text, but GROSSLY CONTRADICTS the actual dancing as done by everyone of any skill whatsoever.

I was wondering if you could please direct me to the place where I might be able to buy Henry Moore's book "Modern Ballroom Dancing". Or if you would like to sell your autographed copy for a price of your choice that would be fine too.

Sincerely,

Jayson Parker