Do you not think it is important for female dancers to understand the man's technique ?

The question originates from a debate I saw on another forum, which made me realise I did not really understand why the foot positions differed when followed by a wing.

I suspect this question arises out of a discussion on another forum where I use another name so I should perhaps declare an interest.

The normal foot position on step 3 of an open telemark is side and slightly fwd. That would be used for most, if not all, follows including the weave from PP, quick or otherwise.

The different position of side and slightly back is used before a wing to allow room for the man to turn and the lady to move in front of him making half a turn in the wing. This is using the standard technique alignment, moving from DW to DC (as man).

If the alignment used was different, and less turn is made, then the normal foot position could be used. Compare the wing following an open impetus which has no turn for the man as standardised.

Thanks. That's more or less what I thought.

Jill. Just checking. Are you sure it is an Open Telemark and not an Open Impetus followed by a Wing.
If it is an Open Telemark into a Wing what steps and alignment are you on before the Open Telemark.
A Quick Weave is also a new one on me.

Open Telemark to Wing. Standard alignments. So Open Telemark commences facing DC and ends pointing DW body facing wall.

The Quick Weave is step 1-4 of the weave from promenade position timed 1, 2 & 3.

Jill. Is the Quick Weave an American Smooth Variarion. The trouble I am having is after the Wing my left foot is free and the next to move...After 1,2 & 3 this leaves me with my LF the next to move. What now is it 4 5 6 of a Reverse Weave. Wouldn't it be a lot nicer to do the group from a Open Impetus a Wing and a Chasse into a Passing Change. By the by. I was always told leave Wings off the competition floor unless you want to get bowled over. They are almost as bad as a Natural Turn in the Foxtrot for holding up the traffic.

Let me clarify.

I am asking about two combinations. Two seperate combinations to be compared with one another.

One is the Open Telemark to Wing (standardised in Guy Howard).

The other is Open Telemark to a weave from PP.

To make the weave finish on a sensible alignment, the second combination needs to start 1/4 turn to the left relative to the first. So the open telmark starts facg DC against LOD and ends pointing DC body facing LOD. The weave then starts fcg DC. So there is no turn between step 3 of the telemark and step 1 of the weave.

My original qustion referred to a running weave, but, to keep it simple, and to avoid any discussion as to what a running weave is, lets just consider the open telemark followed by a weave from PP.


Its the foot position on step 3 of the telemark i'm after plus an explanation.

Interesting to find this topic here which has seemingly arisen from another forum.

I too would be interested to hear any insights on it.

Jill. Its nice to hear a female joining in the dicussions. I was getting the impression that ladies put up and shut up. In other words do as your told and don't ask questions.
Any way. The Reverse Weave from an Open Telemark. You are aware that the third step on beat three is a step to the side. as is nearly all steps on beat three in the Modern Waltz. Which includes the step on step six which is on a third beat as you exit the Reverse Weave..This may have a bearing on what you are discussing. Think about step three on the Open Telemark. That is also a step to the side for both the lady and the man. There are some steps that are obviously not so. Double Reverse Spin and also the Wing are two. Although it could be argued that for the lady the (and) three on the Double Reverse could qualify as a step to the side.

"Think about step three on the Open Telemark. That is also a step to the side for both the lady and the man."

That is precisely what the question is about, though concentrating on the man's steps.

Step 3 of the telemark is side and slightly fwd when followed by a cross hesitation, but side and slightly back when followed by a wing. The first part of the question is - why the difference?

Those are the only two follows listed for the open telemark although others, such as the weave, are obviously possible. So the second part of the question is - what is the man's foot position on step 3 of an open telemark for other possible follows?