Lichen, the Lady follows not leads, so why are you asking this question?

Doug. I'll give you one guess who Lichen is!

The VW naturals really do start and finish facing or backing genuine diagonal center, that was not a typo.

When you think about it, this is 1/8 turn less than the intended direction of movement, which is really the same windup as the body usually starts with in slow waltz naturals, where you would be planning to move DW but have the body wound up to LOD.

The difference is that in VW the feet are also under turned, whereas in the slow waltz only the body is under turned and the feet already point in the direction you will move.

Why the difference? Best guess is that VW requires the body and feet to turn more as a single unit, with less internal rotation between body and feet than there is time for in the slow waltz. I know one teacher who claims VW does not have CBM. This is of course false - what it does have less of is the internal twist used by that school to such great effect in the slower dances - the CBM is much closer to that used by the "curved track" people, which would not feel like CBM to a straight school person.

I am so glad to have response from you . ( I have not yet start the V waltz till now. ).
In my mind, DC is on man's left upper direction. ( It equally devides the rectangle formed by LOD and Centre.)not only a dot there. Or I should change my mind to treat DC as a dot near the LOD regardless its direction ( but if so , DC against the LOD is better .) Please tell me what is correct . Personally, I ( lady )like to back DW or DC against LOD or somewhere parallel DW near LOD to avoid moving clockwise along LOD. Sorry, I do not understand what the problem is .
And usually, when we talk about natural turn ,what do we mean ? 1-6 or 1-3 or 4-6 ?
On my own point of view ( lady) I should locate on same direction on every first beat in natural turm. body is parallel to LOD after 1 to 2 , after 4 to 5 . right ?
I have no idea about the differences you mentioned but I am interesting in learning more from you and try to understand them.
I am going to drive to studio for my ankle practice . My teacher said he is too tired to return Hong Kong. I don't want to waste time : I am too old ( 59 years of age ), I have to overcome my aging body. I will be back to read this post tomorrow. Thanks.

Yichen, I am 69 and although we stopped competing 3yrs ago,we still practice and are still learning new things . We at present are working on the Bombshell in the Foxtrot. So you still have lots of time.

Yichen 1. I should have mentioned this before. The head position is left all the time. That means with the body turning you will be looking against the LOD and also with the LOD. In other words the head stays still in relation to the body. To prove this to yourself loop a bootlace around your shoulder, and put the end in between your teeth. Another important thing is the footwork on 456 of the Natural Turn in the V. Waltz. It is totally flat. Even though you will see many British competitors using T.H. T, T. H. Well isn't that interesting.

DC is 45 degree anticlockwise from LOD, DW is 45 degrees clockwise from LOD.

DC against LOD is the same alignment as having your back to DW, and DW against LOD is the same alignment as having your back to DC (though the terms would usually be used for figures that move forwards against LOD)

In the slow waltz, you would commence a natural turn that moves to DW with the man's feet facing DW and the lady's feet backing DW, however the prep step would ideally set your bodies up to an underturned position - man's body aligned to LOD, lady's body backing it.

In the Viennese waltz your natural turn would move down LOD instead of to DW, because you will be making nearly 1/2 turn on each 3 steps. To create the same 45 degrees of windup, you would start with the man's body facing DC and the lady's backing DC. After three steps, the man would be backing DC and the lady would be facing DC, and back to the original alignments after 6 steps.

The realy point of technical difference between VW and slow waltz here is that in VW, it is not just the body that is wound up to an underturned position 45 degree anti-clockwise of the direction in which the step will progress, but the feet are also wound up to point or back DC as well. In the slow waltz, step one sees the body turn via CBM while the foot moves straight forward, but the type of CBM used in the faster VW involves not only rotating the body, but also curving the track of the foot so that while step one starts aligned DC, it ends up moving down LOD.

Dear BronzeDancer, You explained profound techniques in clear simple words. To understand what, why, how and their characters will be very helpful in mastering V waltz and slow waltz ( natural turn.).
Use of twist force ( body under turn,feet align DC ) not only creats energy but also extends my shaping, ( bigger volume and fixed left head .) ; side step moves along a curving track ( close knees helps the weight over the standing leg longer and easier to be pused to its own position . I like the idea of curving track.) Great thanks!!!

Oh. Now I knew what wrong I was after revewing the related vedio clip here. In fact , man is facing DW on 123, thereafter he is facing DC on 223, 323... That meant that , he is facing DC close the wall (If so, he could face DC from 123 ), not clear the center which caused clockwise movement ( who can dance into the wall or illusory space ?) . For the man , against (LOD+DW+DC) are behind him regardless the distance he stand. I did not know why I push myself into the dead corner to presume when facing DC , we should stand close the center. how stupid I am !
Yes, I attempt learning dancing until I can't move any more. I also know that my ability mentally and physically is diminishing with age.I must learn correct fundamenatal basic( posture, hold, center, vertically move forward, backward , sideward , turn, follow, head position, relax my upper body, music, beautiful footwork ( especially ankles ) under clear concept . For what ? Nothing. I love sportdance , I want to try my best to dance correctly even attractively ( dream). Maybe I wonder my potency of learning new thing in my late life.
It is necessary to learn from you because of Ballroom Dance is of Western Culture. I am so grateful to get your expert advices timely. I hope more people adhered to this wonderful sebsite.
Don, you said flat foot on 4, 5,6, not LF TH back with body rotation,on late 4, RF side ,B+T,on 5, LF Flat , close to RF on 6? How about reverse turn ( V waltz also ) , same condition ,all flat foot ,in 456 ? Please tell me. Thanks.

Yichin1. I would forget trying to remember the amounts of turn in the V. Waltz. Just two things. Man starts and finishes a Natural Turn facing diagnal to the centre. Because of the speed of this dance what apears to be underturned is not because of the rotation. When coming out of a Natural finish as above, curve you Change Step to finish facing LOD for the man. Then go into a Reverse Turn. Any attempt to finish on the diagonal will cause you to take the step into the centre. Then it becomes a mess. Have you driven your teacher insane yet. I suppose there is nothing like an active mind. Keep at it.