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Re: Just a walk.
Posted by cdroge
7/25/2005  12:10:00 PM
Annon. I refer you to Don at 3.58am where he clearly mentions the Waltz.
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by Anonymous
7/25/2005  8:48:00 PM
Go ahead and call it changing the subject if you like, but I think the lady's heel lead after a spin turn is the result of something the man does or doesn't do. If he leads a very horizontal action roling through his foot, she will come out and do a nice heel lead. If he just keeps falling backwards from the rise of the spin turn into step one, and doesn't reach bottom and start up again before the extent of the stride, then she will stumble onto her toe. And if he rolls through his foot but rises immediately from the heel, she will swing up onto a toe as used in the turning locks.

Three possibilities, which one is mostly up to the man. Of course it helps if the lady has ingrained habits for the two good ones and no tendancy towards the stumble on her own.
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by Don
7/25/2005  11:10:00 PM
Anonymous. After a spin turn Modern Waltz, 456 of the Reverse. I would most definately lay a lot of the blame on the male. But also the lady for not complaining that they can't get the correct footwork or feel, and so it goes on. What I see is the man thinking that the bigger this step is the better. Which usually results in falling away. Another theory is that the centres got lost during the Spin Turn usually caused by the very first and second step ( a complete misunderstanding of NFR for the lady on one ). Two inches out on the first three will become more on the following three steps. From then on we are struggling to regain the poise we started with. Heres one for the theorists among us. Any type or style of dancing especially Latin. A step is just a step, it is on the bit in between that we actually dance. Try it and see if you can get more character, more expression from your dancing.
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by cdroge
7/26/2005  5:56:00 AM
Don. It helps if the Lady keeps good contact with the floor with her right toe when she does the brush tap. Some men don't give the Lady time to lower correctly,they either fall back onto the right foot,hence body and foot arrive together,or they are trying to stay on time to the music. Some dancers will speed up the first part of the spin turn and get a slight hover on the Lady's brush,this also seems to give the Lady more time to lower correctly. Doug
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by Don
7/27/2005  9:34:00 PM
cdroge. Glad you brought this one up. Spin Turn. Major fault Lady and man, do not rise untill the end of step five. This can cause all sorts of problems if it is done any other way. This is one reason for falling out of the turn on the next steps.
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by cdroge
7/28/2005  7:19:00 AM
Don .We still have the normal rise and fall on the first part of the natural turn.(123)spin(123)
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by Curious
7/27/2005  10:42:00 AM
Hi Anonymous. Would you say that the lady dances a brush action (or brush tap, for some!)at the end of step 5 of the Nat Spin Turn, when the man dances an overturn to almost back line of dance to continue with a turning lock step to the right?
Re: Just a walk.
Posted by Anonymous
7/27/2005  12:22:00 PM
The lady does whatever the flow of the figure being danced requires. In most cases that will mean she starts to close her feet... but if she completes the process will depend on if the man redirects things before she can, or not. For example, in a running spin turn, he will lift her out of the spin before her feet can close, but she shouldn't try not to close her feet. I'd have to look at some overturned spin turns to answer what ideally happens there.

It all comes back to the lady not consciously knowing which figure is being danced until it's too late to act on that knowledge - her actions are more in the way of reflexes to what is going on than in textbook classified figures. If the man sets up the textbook conditions, then what the lady does should match the description, but as a result of the conditions and her trained reflexes, not because that was the way the step was described.
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