There is no swing in the DRS.

The term swing applies to rotation on a curved path about a fixed point. In a normal waltz turn, we have swing in the vertical plane, which combined with CBM rotation produces sidesway.

It might be tempting to argue that CBM is swing in the horizontal plane, however this is not the case. When done properly, a movement with CBM is not a curve around a fixed point, but rather a rotation superimposed on a straight-line movement, without maintaining a constant radius from any fixed point. The reason is simple - to produce a curved path, you must have a force pulling you towards the fixed point. In the vertical plane, this is your feet pushing you up from the floor, but in the horizontal plane there is nothing comparable to work off - except your partner, and you don't want to do that!

You said " if you have swing you have sway" I said ,not so. Example. the three step in the foxtrot. Going into the double reverse spin from a feather or a back lock you have a left side lead that is the start of cbm that flows into swing, you swing into the DRs. The double reverse spin is not turned on a fixed point but for the man on two steps and for the lady over three steps. A batter swings his club on a horizontal plane, if he is right handed he will do this with a left side lead. Victor Veyrasset in his slow fox video demonstrates the three swings (a) the Rotational swing,although his says around a fixed point as he moves his weight from the back foot to the front foot this is not a fixed point and as we now dance the natural turn in a more forward direction than we use to, it is no longer danced around a fixed point. The other two swings he mentions are the Pendulum and the Metronomic. We learn from discusion.

You do know that there's sway in the three step, right?

It's not hugely pronounced, in part because with the rise delayed and extra step and only slight CBM it won't develop that far. But there's sufficient hint of it to indicate that the technique is self-consistent.

Baseball bat - that's an object swinging around a fixed point somewhere in the vicinity of your body (actually, the bat and your center of mass both swing around a fixed point, at different radii). This is a perfect example of what you don't want to do with your partner - but follows a curve, partner goes straight, because you are holding the bat so much more firmly than the light touch you want to give your partner.

Well yes Annon ,as I said earlier,just a hint of a sway . Thank you for all your impute. I am go camping for three weeks so I say to all . Have a great summer, and when I get back I will find some more challanging questions for you to answer . The more we understand the better chance we have of putting it into practice, up to a point, but there is no substitute for a good teacher if you can afford it. P.S. The batter moves into the ball from his back foot to his front foot,so it is still not a fixed point.Ha.Ha Doug

cdroge and others. Well didn't that question bring on a response. I was thinking more towards, apart from the rise and fall and the obvious alignment. In an underturned Spin Turn how simular the steps are when you compare the mans 123 to the ladies 456. We have a different rise and fall, there are five in the Modern Waltz. here we have two of the five. For the lady there is a half turn on the right foot. To continue the amount of turn depends if we are doing a normal Spin Turn as in the book. Or a Overturned or under turned Spin Turn. The under turned is probobly the most used by us. We need to get away from the outside of the ballroom into the more interesting reverse movements. Besides that you'll get run over.

/* We have a different rise and fall, there are five in the Modern Waltz. here we have two of the five. */

Once again your technique is wrong! Check the different types of rise and fall again in the Waltz. I'm sure you will find more than five!

Dancefad. Are you calling the rise and fall as being different in the first three of a Natural or a Whisk. They are the same. Syncapated Chasse is Different as is 4 5 6 of a Spin or Impetus Turn. Reverse Weave is the same as the first three of the Natural.Most of the steps you do would almost certainly be Rise at the end of one .Continue to rise on two and three. Lower at the end of three. Turning Lock after a Spin Turn has a different rise and fall. No I'm still on five different rise and falls. Some of the above are the same.

/* Dancefad. Are you calling the rise and fall as being different in the first three of a Natural or a Whisk. They are the same. */

Don. The R&F for 1-3 Nat is not the same as the Whisk, which is Up on 3. The Rev Corte is rise on 2.The DRS is Rise e/o 1. The Wing as a slight rise between 2-3 with NFR.

/*Reverse Weave is the same as the first three of the Natural. */

I let someone else answer that one!

Don. I enjoy most of your messages but I wish you would take more care when quoting the technique book. In your own mind you may consider your self to be correct but I can assure you you would fail a pro exam.

Dancefad.Straight out of the book, Rise and Fall. The first three of the Natural is. Commence to rise at the end of one. Continue to rise on two and three. Lower at the end of three. Now the Whisk. Commence to rise at the end of one. Continue to rise on two. Up on three. Lower at the end of three. I think you will find that the slight difference in the description on the three is because one has a closer of the feet plus the turn. The other has not. It might be of interest to mention that on the Whisk todays dancer both man and lady have a shaping of the foot on step two, which is something fairly new..

Don. Please don't quote the tec to me. I can assure you I'm well versed in that department. Just one more error in the writing of your technique, Don. When you write Rise e/o 1 the following has to be UP, not continue. I'm on tour now till Aug 15th.