Phil. Thanks for the information, this is in the main what I have been on about. In your last paragraph you spoke of the incredible hight that Andrew Sinkinson is able to get. We can all do that but only from a still position. I know what you are seeing. I see it every week. That what appears to be a never ending slow rise, most of us at that stage have been as high as we will ever get and gone. They are still rising, we have risen. Doesn't that explain it all. And from there we must do it all the time. I just wish that on a video somebody would show a overhead view of just the basics especially the alignments being used.