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Re: Early CBM
Posted by Suomynona
10/27/2005  6:41:00 AM
It will feel like you are turning the body early in step one, but not turning the feet until nearly the end of step two.

Backwards of course you turn out the free foot as you swing towards step two.
Re: Early CBM
Posted by Dave
10/27/2005  9:25:00 AM
A strong right side lead into natural may explain why many men do not cover their partner with their left side.
Re: Early CBM
Posted by Don
10/31/2005  3:29:00 AM
Dave. Different dancer different interpretation. From a Prep Step I was taught to walk away from my L.F. and with my R.F. foot in position to swing my left foot and shoulder. Which would be CBM rather late. Then I use sway on Three which helps the closing foot into position. I have after a syncopated chasse basicly the same technique. So as some dancers dance slightly behind the beat. Some use a late CBM on certain steps. This is why we all don't look the same when we dance. One of my teachers once said the technique comes in a soft cover so that you can bend it.
Re: Early CBM
Posted by Dave
10/31/2005  4:52:00 PM
Don .This seems more than just a slight interpretation . one minute we are saying right shoulder lead and the next a left shoulder lead. When I went for my walk this morning . I made note of what my body was doing. Result: My left shoulder arrived either just before my right foot or at the same time,it was difficult to be exact, but never after my foot. I believe we should always use our body's as naturally as possable,unless we have the skill of a top pro. We also have to consider our partner and what they feel is best for them,helps them to dance freely and keep their poise,grace and balance. Gleaves method was demonstrated dancing a feather in the foxtrot with a right side lead on the first step.
Re: Early CBM
Posted by Don
11/1/2005  5:47:00 AM
Dave. I think as you mentioned the lady must feel comfortable with the whole operation.It must be recognised that dancing is an art and not a science. We should also stick to one dance which is Waltz. I would be doing a turning action then a swinging action off the first step R.F.after my preperation step which is my left. Remembering that in the Waltz this is the only preperation step I am going to get. I'm with John Wood who calls the first step R.F. as swing.I don't know about you but after a Syncopated Chasse into a Natural I find it very stilted to have a early CBM. On another step it might be different. I don't think that all steps can be danced the same way. I would like to draw attention to something that is often not understood and that is. Turn is turning the body from right to left and left to right.A foreward or backward action is Swing. A sideway action is Sway. These can all be practised standing in one place. According to my Gleave tape the first action is turn, then swing and than sway
CBM is hardly mentioned except I believe it to be on the turn before the swing. But then can it be late or early.
If your coach and your partner like the way it is being done. It must be looking good or something will be said. I believe that as the first step is actually on The R.F. try starting there Doesn't an early CBM feel so awkward going into your Natural. That's why I try to leave it slightly behind.
Re: Early CBM
Posted by suomynona
11/1/2005  11:33:00 AM
"I don't know about you but after a Syncopated Chasse into a Natural I find it very stilted to have a early CBM."

After the chasse you are stepping out with left side lead already, to take the first step of the natural outside partner in CBMP. Because of this, the CBM will be fairly subtle - you start the first step in a position very near that which would be achieved as the foot is placed when the inside version is done with well-timed CBM.

"Turn is turning the body from right to left and left to right"

yes

"A foreward or backward action is Swing."

Not necessarily. A swing is one type of action, in which the rotation of the body in the vertical plane sends the leg from a position behind the body to a position in advance. The other type of action, the one more applicable to heel leads, is for the body to simply translate across the floor, carrying the leg under it.

"A sideway action is Sway."

Incorrect. A sway on a basic figure in ballroom language is not an action, but rather is the position which results from swing.

"CBM is hardly mentioned except I believe it to be on the turn before the swing. But then can it be late or early."

No, if it's "the turn before the swing" then it has to be: before the swing!
Re: Early CBM
Posted by Don
11/1/2005  7:42:00 PM
Sumynona. I'm not saying that I agree with this. But in Dance Vision 4 Richard Gleave says. Swing is the foreward or backward movement like a pendulum. (I always called that step). Sway is a sdeway motion. (I always called that swing ) Sway to me was always the last little bit after the swing. Now the Turn. According to the tape turn is a movement around the spine , feet still.So putting the tape together we have a turn and a swing. Next we have Sway right to the end. Trying to make sense of all this it would seem the turn is actually the CBM combined with the Swing. I think that I will continue to to say to myself Step Swing. Sway on three. After all they are only names. Shakespeare wrote What's in a name.He must have been referring to the first three of a Natural. Way ahead of his time that man.
Re: Early CBM
Posted by suomynona
11/1/2005  7:53:00 PM
"I think that I will continue to to say to myself Step Swing. Sway on three."

CBM, step, swing, sway (&CBM, step, ...)

Re: Early CBM
Posted by Dave
11/9/2005  8:08:00 AM
Looking at the Hiltons natural turn ,there is a curve of the top part of the body to the right from stretching the sides in that direction which has nothing to do with sway ,but is in addition to sway and for effect,so just to step ,swing and sway won't make you look like a pro. We move faster into a natural turn of the quickstep with less sway than in the waltz so speed is not the only reason for sway?
Re: Early CBM
Posted by Onlooker
11/9/2005  10:40:00 PM
Dave.To add to this. I find that men can manage to get CBM or CBMP when going foreward, But fail badly when going backwards. It is just as imortant there as it is going foreward. Unfortunately it is possible to dance with no CBM, like a block of wood but never the less dance. This is my method to train the muscles. Whatever I do going foreward I will imediatly do backwards. Say first step of the Feather Step with CBM. Turn around and make sure that I have the neccesary CBM after I am facing the other way. I got this idea from some Latin Classes I go to. We even had to do a Basic Rumba with step one beat two on the right foot and keep going.

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