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Re: CBM,again.
Posted by suomynona
2/3/2006  10:58:00 AM
Most of this is not written down explicitly in any book, but more of it is contained implicity in Moore's writing than in any other classic source. The book doesn't fully tell you how to dance, what it does do is give you a list of required details to serve as waypoints in the actions - when you figure out a natural way to connect them, you've achieved the dancing the book was written about.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by Don
2/2/2006  7:50:00 PM
Puzzled.Be carefull with CBM. Too many inexperience only turn the shoulder forgetting that the hips also turn. This will result in a spine out of alignament, twisted. Also nobody ever mentions that the muscles in your buttocks must be tight. This is Latin as well as modern. This is all the time whilst you are on the dance floor.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by phil.samways
2/3/2006  4:02:00 AM
Hi puzzled
I'm not sure what level you dance at, but here's my tuppence-worth.
I first started to get to grips with CBM when i realsied one important fact - in something like slow waltz natural turn, the turning action of the upper body should be smooth and continuous, wheres the feet placements happen at discrete times, and the feet move generally in a straight line (i know not exactly so) .
This means that between feet placments the body must rotate and hey-presto, you have cbm. Step forward and by the time you've placed the moving foot, the body must have rotated. Stop there, and you have your cbm.
As for the feet alignments - nobody will agree on that!! The top dancers don't do what it says in the technique books.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by suomynona
2/3/2006  4:34:00 AM
Yes, the individual foot steps are in the general case straight lines. But some people with an un-natural fear of body twist curve their steps so that they can do CBM without creating it.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by Looking nn
2/4/2006  8:15:00 PM
I will just relate my experience with an idiot teacher who tried to tell me that my CBMB on the second quick Feather Step was to be held into the first step Reverse Turn. Obviously he was one of those who don't believe there is a neutral in between the two steps.I never went back.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by suomynona
2/5/2006  6:49:00 AM
"I will just relate my experience with an idiot teacher who tried to tell me that my CBMB on the second quick Feather Step was to be held into the first step Reverse Turn. Obviously he was one of those who don't believe there is a neutral in between the two steps.I never went back."

Well it's not CBMP - there is none until step 6 - but the orientation of the shoulders should be held there until quite late (general rule for reverse turning actions, not applicable to natural turning ones). This sounds like a communication problem, not a case of bad advice.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by cdroge
2/5/2006  10:01:00 AM
With partners on each others right side I believe that we now hold the shape and sway through the lowering and commencement of the first step of a reverse figure.Turns to the left being slower than turns to the right.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by suomynona
2/5/2006  2:18:00 PM
I've been thinking about this more, and there are variuos types of neutralizations which should and should not occur.

1) Neutralization of sway. Usually this happens once per swing cycle somewhere between the middle of step 3 and the very early part of the next step 1.

2) Neutralization of the rotational orientation of various body parts. Natural and Reverse actions each have a unique order in which the various body parts execute the turn, and it's a different order for the two directions. Plus of course they are different directions. While there will be a point in each nominal 3-step cycle where the body parts come closes to being aligned, they won't completely get there as long as the direction of turn stays the same. Tthere is a kind of more complete rotational neutralization which happens when changing direction of turn, but does not happen between two turns which have the same biases - two reverses or two naturals.

3) Neutralization of the hold. As long as you are dancing international modern, there is a sort of left-ness in the hold which must persist at all times - even in wing position, counterpromenade, whatever. This is expressed not only in the relative positions of the bodies but also in their internal stretches. It should never neutralize unless you are dancing something like American smooth and going to some sort of a mirrored hold.

In the case of what should be held across the middle of the foxtrot, the sway will neutralize (though the exact timing may be a matter of preference) but neither the biases of reverse rotation or the left offset hold should be lost. Many dancers do loose these aspects at that point, and teachers make various suggests to counteract that, which may not be strictly accurate in their wording but are appropriate in their general intent.
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by cdroge
2/6/2006  6:55:00 AM
By neutralizing as was explained earlier when the lady was more in front of the man would now have the effect "I think" of also neutralizing the cbm at a time when you need it the most to give the lady a strong lead into the reverse figure. The other problem would be turning the left side away from your partner
Re: CBM,again.
Posted by cdroge
2/6/2006  8:22:00 PM
Neutralizaton of sway. please explain "body parts come closes to being aligned" what body parts are aligned with what? or what body parts are not already aligned except for the left side ofset.

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