"So i simply gave the example, because in 1-2-3 natural turn waltz, the man is on two toes for a while"

You gave an example of a toe to toe step, but you did not cite a passage.

I had been arguing against the idea of being on two feet at once, and was asking for some supporting evidence for the original idea that you should be on two toes. My reading supports toe to toe, but not two toes.

Suomyonona. You know as well as I do that the person, the man, who is going backwards on this particular step. The NFR rule does not apply.
I will repeat , there is NO, NO FOOT RISE on step four.Which means there is foot rise.
Question . Please site the passage where the man is on two toes.
Here we go. The footwork for the man on step 4. is THT and for the lady HT. So as we step to the side and slightly forward we are on two toes. Four toes if you count the ladies also. And the 5th step for the lady stepping to the side, is with the toe turned slightly out. Thats unless the book has had some alteration to it since mine was written.

"Suomyonona. You know as well as I do that the person, the man, who is going backwards on this particular step. The NFR rule does not apply.
I will repeat , there is NO, NO FOOT RISE on step four.Which means there is foot rise.
Question . Please site the passage where the man is on two toes.
Here we go. The footwork for the man on step 4. is THT and for the lady HT. So as we step to the side and slightly forward we are on two toes. Four toes if you count the ladies also. And the 5th step for the lady stepping to the side, is with the toe turned slightly out. Thats unless the book has had some alteration to it since mine was written."

Why do you insist on answering a post about the waltz natural with two paragraphs about the foxtrot reverse and not a mention of anything that applies to the waltz natural?

It sure seems to me like every time you get stuck, you change the subject...

Anyway, all your post demonstrates is another case of where the man dances from one to to the other (something I never disagreed with) but it does not in any way indicate that he is on two toes at all.

Suomynona. It does not matter if I am passing from one foot to the other in Waltz or Foxtrot, I will be on my two toes.If I am on a Natural Turn my left foot step 2 is a step to the side on the toe. The feet will be apart.
If it is the Reverse Turn Foxtrot, step 5 is a step to the side on the toe. The 4th step having risen to a toe. The feet will be apart. The weight at some time will be in the middle, split weight.The way I transfer the weight, thats dancing. I doubt that there is any step taken to the side where we are not on our two toes regardless of the alignment.

Anon
You're absolutely correct on this

Phil.I'm glad somebody else agrees. It must be because the classes I have been attending, this is a technique class. The teachers are taught by Andrew, and have been for a few years. The question about stepping to the side on two toes. I didn't pull that one out of the air.

If you dance it with body flight, your weight will depart the departing foot before it arrives on the arriving foot.

Suomynona. What is body flight. It is moving your weight from one position the the other. The term body flight was used simply to stop a person stepping forward with their weight staying on the supporting foot and pulling themselves along. I danced for a lot of years before I heard the term body flight used. Whatsoever, the foot will arrive before the body. If that is not believed look down at your feet. If they are like mine they will be about 5 inches in front of my body. Unless my nose is the same size as my feet, and I stepped one pace to a wall I know which part will arrive first. It wont be my nose, and going sidways it wont be my body . It is right in the middle passing over.
If I dance with body flight, my weight will depart the departing foot
before it arrives on the arriving foot.
If I read that correctly it would seem my body weight is moving before my moving foot has arrived. We aren't forgetting that the foot stays in contact with the floor have we. Whichever way we look at it the weight at some time will be dead in the middle of the two feet. We are not playing Monopoly here where we go straight to Jail without passing Go.
Another way of reading the above sentance is that the departing foot is the arriving foot. Most of the above chatter could be voided if we use plain common sense. It reminds me of that nursery rhyme. And they will come home wagging their tails behind them. I think it would be a bit odd if they came home wagging their tails in front of them. Must put in a bit of humour now and again otherwise it gets too serious

Suomynona. This is too stupid for words. If i am passing my weight from my right foot to my left, as in the NT. I am not going to be on my flat feet. I am going to be on my toes, and at sometime my weight will be equally divided. Tell me how that does not happen.I only wish i could get that slow controlled drawing together of the feet that i see in an IDST final. Also you apear to be in favour of most of the turn on the left foot in a NT. I turn my right foot about 90 degrees. It seems common sense that i need both of my feet on a straight line with each other to get a controlled closing of the feet, and to be perfectly balance. I am able to stop just there and stay as long as i wish in that balanced position. I will be the first to admitt that there are other styles, but nobody can say i am incorrect because this one is straight out of the good book.