Serendipidy, it would be nice to put this one to bed, but you keep opening a new can of worms just when I think we have some agreement.

1) There is no correction to be made. Nobody mentioned step 6. The CBM is used on step 1 of the feather finish (step 4 of the reverse turn with feather finish). The amount of residual body turn Anonymouse hints at is very small, but maybe enough to make the difference between 1st and 2nd place in a comp, depending on the adjudicators preferences. There was no suggestion of underturnng the reverse.

2) "Another mistake is when you said The foot alignment is given in the book as backing diagonal to the wall. Does it say that ??."
Alex Moore may not say that explicitly, but he also admits to using the term alignment to mean several things. Remember that Alex Moore's book is not used by any society for its syllabus or exam reference. As I mentioned before, all the official technique books do give the alignment as backing DW.

3) Do Jonathan or Marcus pause when backing DW? No of course not when they are dancing, just as they do not pause anywhere else. However, when they took their exams then they will have paused at that point, before describing and demonstrating the next step, continually describing then show each step.

4)"In the Foxtrot the weight is passed over immediately to the RF."
Which book did you find that in!?

5)"Quote. Step three is continue to turn on RF and step LF back." and later "So step two is not finished until the left foot is drawn up to the RF."
So, if step 2 is ended backing LOD, and step 3 continues to turn on the RF, which way does the LF step back? and how do we get step 4 back down LOD? The chances are we will see the very common fault of the RF going back DC.


To return to your earlier post, I would agree with the principle of what I think you are trying to say, but not with the phrase you use. As the reverse turn is danced the man moves from facing DC (even with body facing LOD if allowing for CBMP on a preceding feather) to backing LOD in one continuous movement but not "in one go". That expression implies an almost instantaneous turn, which is not what the books say and it is not what top dancers do because it is not in keeping with the smooth flow of foxtrot. The choice of expression is very important and that is why the panel of editors that compile the dance technique manuals take so long to update them, and still they make mistakes.

Serendipity inexplicable wrote:

"Just a correction here. The 6th step of a Reverse Turn Foxtrot..."

Correction to WHAT? Nowhere in the 3 pages of this thread has their been any previous mention of the sixth step of the reverse turn. Who are you really replying to? Are you carrying on a debate with your imaginary friend?

"You would be in a big underturned Reverse if you completed step two backing diagonal to the wall."

Who suggested that step 2 would be completed backing diagonal to wall?

It's been pointed out to you time and time again in this thread that no one is suggesting that you have that alignment at that point in time, but you perversely keep pretending that someone has suggested it. No one has.

Let us make this simple shall we. When I move from Facing diagonal to the center to backing LOD that is 3/8ths of a turn. I will pass every point of the compass. I will not stop half way. The foot positions which appear to contradict what is written in the same book are a continuous movement of the feet and the body and do not contradict when it says that step two is taken across the LOD.
There still seems to be an inability to watch and to understand the vido examples given. Are they correct or not. Are their alignments correct or not. Don't let us have a smoke screen. Stick to the facts that we can all see from the videos.
Which of you wrote that the foot alignment is given in the book as backing DW and that the body alignment is a somewhat different position. For their information the feet are always underneath your body. Anticipating that some person will say what about the step to the side in the Waltz. If you stand up straight the feet are still under the body. Even if I was upside down my feet are still under my body.
If squarely backing the LOD untill midway into the CBM of the Feather Finish is not refering to step six ( 4 5 6 is the Feather Finish ) what is it refering to.
Back to the videos. None of you opponents are game enough to give an answer. Are the video examples correct or not. It's a very simple question.

"Which of you wrote that the foot alignment is given in the book as backing DW and that the body alignment is a somewhat different position."

Nobody but you. Your statement is not only critically different from what I suspect insipired it, the difference makes it pure nonsense: a body alignment is NOT a position.

"For their information the feet are always underneath your body. "

That's a position, not an alignment. A difference in the timing of rotation between the body and feet produces a difference in body alignment vs. foot alignment, not a difference in body position vs. foot position.

Your problem is that you still mix up three very distinct variables:

1) Alignment
2) Position
3) Direction of movement

Because you keep mixing these up, you keep thinking that others have said things which we haven't.

"If squarely backing the LOD untill midway into the CBM of the Feather Finish is not refering to step six ( 4 5 6 is the Feather Finish ) what is it refering to."

Obviously it refers to step four, which is the CBM step immediately following the step 3 that was being discussed. It could not by any stretch of the imagination have referred to step 6, because in a reverse turn the CBM steps are steps 1, 4, and 7, but not 6.

By the way, the comment was

"unlikely to catch up to the feet and be squarely backing the LOD until midway into the CBM of the feather finish."

When you chopped off the beginning you reversed the meaning.