"To Whome. There is Foot Rise on step four for the man on a Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot. Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT."

Your theory is contradicted by the evidence.

If your reasoning were accurate, it would have to apply to what the lady does in the quick open reverse, but it does not. Her step there is TH, NFR.

The actual rule is that a side step departs from toe and arrives on toe, but that does not mean that there must be foot rise (only the toe in contact with the floor) when the next step is placed, it merely means that the actual departure of the old foot is from the toe.

The toe to toe rule is compatible with both TH (NFR) and with THT (foot rise). The difference is in when the heel leaves the floor - before or after the other foot is placed. After for most inside of turn actions, before in order to generate the particular character of the man's dominant role in the feather finish.

Anonymous. You have a complete
misunderstanding on how to read this particular step from the book.Look at it this way as explained on page 18 of the Technique Book. " It says a Forward Walk on the RF and then on the LF would be described as Heel Heel. The fact that the whole of the RF lowers to the floor immediately is assumed but not mentioned ".
On every heel lead the heel will leave the floor. If it didn't you would be stationary. So when the heel leaves the floor it is important to know at exactly what time this happens. On the Reverse Turn step 4 for the man it is before the next step 5 is taken. Which gives us a THT

"Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT"

No, I understand that perfectly well. The problem is that you failed to understand the issue raised in the post you responded to - you failed to look up the quick open reverse and note the precise similarities and differences between that and the feather finish.

"On the Reverse Turn step 4 for the man it is before the next step 5 is taken. Which gives us a THT"

Yes, but your theory ("Their is also a rule to be observed which is on this particular step, and that is, any step to the side comes from a toe to a toe. That!s why it is down in the book as THT") for why this happens is flawed, because your theory also predicts that this should happen for the lady on quick open reverse, and it does not happen there.

To be accurate, your theory of why the man's action should be THT on the inside of the feather finish needs to not imply that the lady's action on the inside of the quick open reverse should also be. It needs to recognize that in that case the footwork is instead TH, NFR - in other words, the heel rising only AFTER the the next step is placed, not BEFORE as in the case of the feather finish.

Anonymouse. First by Quick Open Reverse do you mean in the Foxtrot it is the one where the lady does not do a heel Turn but allows the feet to pass.
To get back to the Ladies step on step one of a Natural in the Waltz . The heel does not raise untill after the second step is taken. That is not my theory, that is what the book says. If i were to raise my heel before or as i take step two that is not NFR. If it were it would be in the book THT which it is not. Dont be mislead by the term body rise. It means exactly what it says.

"Anonymouse. First by Quick Open Reverse do you mean in the Foxtrot it is the one where the lady does not do a heel Turn but allows the feet to pass."

The subject is the difference between the man's foot work on the inside of the feather finish vs the lady's action on the inside of the quick open reverse.

Any proposed technical rule would have to be compatible with the existence of this difference.

Your explanation of why the man has foot rise (and thus THT instead of TH) would also require that the lady have it when she has a sequence of steps comparable in the aspects you mentioned, on the inside of the quick open reverse.

Since she does not, your explanation is flawed.

Or were you not actually trying to offer an explanation of why the man has foot rise? Perhaps you were not.

I don!t know why you guys don!t go to Learn The Dances. Then the Natural Turn in the Waltz. You all know how to freeeze frame and move it. Just see where the lady is facing on the first step and where she is facing as the second step is taken to the side. In case you dont know she is backing Diag to wall at the start, and then is facing Diag to centre as her foot is placed to the side.. Go and have a look.

You can't describe her alignment in that way, because the feet and body don't have the same alignment on the second step. The foot should be placed pointing to LOD, and the body, having turned less, should match the man's position, and so be backing DC (but the technique never defines the body's alignment separately. But I agree that DC is where her body faces.

As i stated.... good book answer,, but NOT how a seasoned dancer would execute same.. the book is a GUIDE...

How would a seasoned dancer do it, then?

Anonymous. If the lady is to follow the man, which on this step she has to, because she is on his right side and must be moving later than the man. If she is to finish in the same position that she started she must allow the man to pass and must not arrive before her partner who has the longer distance to travel. Really it is just common sense. Plus that step to the side must be smaller than the man's step otherwise the centres will be lost. This happens in the V. Waltz also by the poorly trained.