What style of dance do you teach ?

And, how long have you been teaching/dancing ?

Are you qualified and to what level ?

Hi InstructorTG.

Welcome to the forum and thank you for your offer of help.

I was wondering if you could explain to me me whether the CBM on step 1 of a natural turn in international style waltz is applied before or after the foot placement , ie whether it represents a pushing from ankle of the L leg, or a pulling of the thigh of the R leg.

Another question I have. How does the man lead a lock to get the lady to cross rather than step back. I think this question is probably related to one posed in a recent thread I started "back lock, slightly rightwards ? " (although it might not be).

Any input from you TG (or any other of the regular contributors) much appreciated.

I you apply your CBM at the beginning of 1, it will take the jerkiness out of your first step and help to smooth your weight transfer, push from the left ankle then put pressure into the ball of your left foot to allow a smoother transfer of your weight onto the right heel. Happy Dancing

Interested. Be carefull of this one. If i were to use my left side before i place my foot that would be CBMP and i would be stepping outside my partner.

"Interested. Be carefull of this one. If i were to use my left side before i place my foot that would be CBMP and i would be stepping outside my partner."

It depends on when the left side achieves an advance. If it is before the start of the step in question (before the feet have passed to end the previous step), then yes this would be a step into CBMP because it is then stepping in a direction relative to the pre-existing condition at the start of the step.

However, achieving a left side lead after the step begins, but before the step is placed does not result in CBMP.

Remember that CBMP is defined as a position relative to the standing foot, not as the result of CBM. It is named for the resemblance to the result of CBM, but it is not defined as the result of CBM because that is not how it is achieved.

CBMP is a foot position only which is usually used when stepping O/S partner, thats all that needs to be said. Another way is shoulder in position. Step across the body towards that shoulder with the opposite foot. Use the outside edge of foot. Failure to use the outside edge will result in the shoulder loosing its position. Which we see most of the time with the poorly trained.

agree

You need to "update " your terminology.. the word " shoulder " was removed from descriptions a few yrs back .. it had created over time, many mis-shapen body lines.. "left side and Right side " are now the words of choice...

"You need to "update " your terminology.. the word " shoulder " was removed from descriptions a few yrs back"

Actually, not it wasn't. The reason it wasn't is that it was not part of the official description of CBMP to begin with.

What was changed was the language used to specify a side or shoulder lead, which is the opposite possibility from CBMP.

In the case of CBMP, the description of stepping under the opposite should remains accurate, but unofficial.

As a prof. I may use whatever terminology I choose.. however.. I stand by my statement that the use of the word "shldr " only invites contorted body actions (and, how many Pros. and Amat. have you taught??..( I think I know )..

The accuracy of an "action " is not always best served, by a description that often will result in an undesired consequence .

And if the term was acceptable, then why bother to change it at all, no matter WHERE its usage was applied !( of which i am fully aware )