In the case of a Forward or Backward Walk, the time value of the step is nor completed untill the moving foot is drawn up to the foot supporting the weight. When instructed to rise at the end of a step the dancer should not commence to rise untill the moving foot is passing the foot supporting the weight of the body. So now we know.

"In the case of a Forward or Backward Walk, the time value of the step is nor completed untill the moving foot is drawn up to the foot supporting the weight."

Yes, for a WALK. But be careful, as you are about to make dreadful leap of flawed logic!

"When instructed to rise at the end of a step the dancer should not commence to rise untill the moving foot is passing the foot supporting the weight of the body."

Now we are talking about something entirely different. We are not longer talking about textbook walks (which by their formal definition have NO RISE OR FALL), instead we are talking about walk-derived dance actions, WITH RISE.

And also, we must be careful to draw a distinction between the formal RISING ACTION and the more general variety of sources of a GAIN IN BODY ALTITUDE.

The end result: if you work with top-notch teachers, you will learn that the body begins its upwards travel long before what would be the end of a corresponding textbook walk.

Further, you will be taught that the heel of the arriving foot must break the ground just before the moving foot passes it. This is because that action of the standing foot must ultimately be timed to support the body, and in today's dancing the body passes over and beyond the standing foot slightly BEFORE the moving foot passes the standing foot.

You can continue to blindly apply the trivia you memorized, or you can work with world-class teachers and learn to understand the actual rules and principles of technique - the rules which suggested the trivia that you memorized as being applicable to the situations where it was intended to be used, and which today suggest DIFFERENT details for the DIFFERENT CONTEXT of today's more dynmaic dancing.

Same rules, different setting => DIFFERENT DETAILS.

Do you two chaps have any students at all? Or do you simply sit around and debate the inane? Owendancer

I would really like to see how they teach and dance. Focusing on to much detail, does me more harm than good for me.

Dennis.Take a look at the advertising for the new disks ( four in a set) by Luca Barichi called the Bible. Not on groups, but on technique and excercises to improve. It is being able to itemise your step with the correct technique that will make a persons dancing as good as it is possible to get.

Correct me if i'm wrong (i'm sure someone will take the opportunity!)but these 'rules' about when to rise etc - aren't they referring to FOOT rise. I thought they were developed in an era when body rise (using the legs) had not been developed.
In any case, there is plenty of scope for artistic interpretation because only vague terms like "continue to rise" and "end of 3" are used, which can be interpreted liberally

This is a complex topic, but if I understand you correctly, the lift you are referring to is done from the bent knee position. The rib-cage stretch is also a lifting motion but done as a leading motion with side-to-side results.
Not sure when you posted this message so you may already have your answer and have gone on to bigger and better...

Something to remember. If I lower my upper body it will always beat my knees and I will be in a sitting position. So to go down my body stays up. To go up my body stays down.In other words the body stays where it is and is controlled by the knees. To continue. Looking at a video it is easy to determine at what angle the shin will be ( which is 45 degrees ) for an advanced dancer. You will also see the same angle between the raised heel and the floor. The best thing to do is go and look for yourself and see if you agree..

Knock knock, anyone home? Oh, I'm sorry you are still debating the "inane" and are forgetting to enjoy the "for real". Try resting the typing fingers before engaging the brain about something as silly as the body position and the angle of the shin. Sheesh, do you people realize how you are messing up these posts with this drivel? Get out on the floor and dance! Then come back and tell me what a great time you had exercizing and enjoying the company of people without complaining of the position of the shin or the body being up or down....Owendancer

Hi owen
We do indeed go out on the floor and have a great time. The exercise is great, and the social dancing bit is hugely enjoyable. But we also want to be called back to the final in competitions so there is a serious side. In any case, i enjoy chatting about dancing to my colleagues and friends. This is a discussion page