Hi!

When I will dance a step outside partner (for example after an outside change), how works the hips? (rotate to right?)

Thanks!

Tom Any step going forward or backward outside partner requires that both do so in CBMP. CBMP is the shoulder in place and the step is taken across the body towards the shoulder.In the book it says. A term used when the body is not turned, but the leg is placed across the front or the back of the body. Simply have your left shoulder leading. We will say diagonal to the centre Without moving the body step across the front to the shoulder also on the same diagonal.In this case that is the third step of a Feather Step
Same action , different alignment on step four of a Reverse Weave.

The term " shldr ", has been replaced many yrs now ,to " left side/ right side", for obvious reasons .

Also, several current techn. are redundant on CBM for e.g.on certain fig.

Your original question puzzled me a bit, and I figured the experienced instructors on this site would answer the way they did. As you know, there are many different steps/variations that occur outside partner, so it seems to me that the hips will certainly follow where the shoulder is leading.
I've never thought much about what the hips were doing because the shoulder alignment, and the CBMP, if done correctly, makes all of the other body part movements quite natural. It was a good question, though, one that beginners should take note of, because outside partner is such an important phase in really being able to move/glide around a dance floor.

dheun.When anybody says left Shoulder leading that includes the whole of the side down to the ankles. To say Left side leading would be better than Left shoulder leading. Although Left shoulder leading does get the message across. Another question that gets asked is . Is there a twist in the spine. Or is the spine always alignment.
Is there any step outside the partner in any of the dances that doesn't have CBMP.

"Is there any step outside the partner in any of the dances that doesn't have CBMP."

Yes, and it's a popular question in professional exams.

""Is there any step outside the partner in any of the dances that doesn't have CBMP."

Yes, and it's a popular question in professional exams."

More like a common misconception!

The step often cited by those mistaken in their understanding is step 3 of the fishtail, in which the man's right foot is slightly to the outside of the lady's left.

But this is not an outside partner position at all. Instead, it's simply taking what the left foot does on any forward step (going outside the partner's right) and mirroring it over to the other side.

Outside partner is usually your right foot going outside to your left of the partners left foot. In a few cases it is your left foot going outside to your right of the partner's right foot.

But the right foot going outside to the right of the partner's left is not outside partner at all. And it of course doesn't require CBMP - it's nothing more than a minor switch of the usual offset position of our feet relative to our partner's.

In short, if step 3 of the fishtail were considered outside partner, then every forward step of the left foot that doesn't go between the partner's feet or into left side outside position would also have to be counted as outside partner. That would be dozens of examples, not to mention patently ridiculous.

There are some historic usages of the descriptive comment "outside partner" for this step, but any real examination of the situation will show that these were common language descriptions - there's no intent to invoke "Outside Partner" the dance technique. And the ISTD has wisely corrected this potential trap by specifying that the step is outside the partner's foot, instead of outside partner.

If you actually get this question, you might as well walk out, as it means you've got a joker obsessed with trivia but unable to perform critical thinking.

Sorry Anonymouse, would you care to re-read your response as you seem to have mixed left and right in several places.

Can you also read it as you dance a fishtail and tell me where the man's RF is placed on step 3 relative to the lady's RF.

A quote from the ISTD "Quickstep Questions and Answers" devised by Elizabeth Romain;

"Q56. What is unusual about the foot position of step 3 of the fishtail?

'It is actually outside partner, but not in CBMP'."

"Sorry Anonymouse, would you care to re-read your response as you seem to have mixed left and right in several places."

No I haven't mixed them up. It's a confusing subject but the lesson of it is that this step 3 of the fishtail is on wrong side for the dance technique term "Outside Partner" to apply.

This step of the right foot outside to your right of the partner's left foot is no more an outside partner step than any ordinary step of your left foot outside to your left of your partner's right foot would be.

"Q56. What is unusual about the foot position of step 3 of the fishtail?

'It is actually outside partner, but not in CBMP'."

This question is a little better worded than the question implied here, but the suggested answer is not consistent with the official description of the step. The ISTD themselves no longer list step 3 of the fishtail as "outside partner" because it never was in the usual sense of that term as a dance technique. Instead, they've seen the wisdom of unambiguously listing exactly what happens - the right foot goes outside the partner's left.

If faced with the question quoted above, you can provide a more correct answer than the suggested one by saying what the technique book now says - satisfying both the examiner and reality. Since you aren't saying that the step is outside partner, you technically don't need to mention that it's not in CBMP. Your answer would be "unusually for a step of the right foot, it is placed slightly outside of the partner's left, rather than between her feet". Evidently, the example question and answer were compiled by someone who looked at the trivia of a poorly worded old description, but didn't really think about the meaning implied. Once you understand what really happens on this step, there's no reason to even contemplate if CBMP should or shouldn't apply, as it obviously bears no relation to a situation in which CBMP could be even contemplated - the whole question of CBMP here comes only from misunderstanding of the description.

On the other hand, if asked to give an example of a step that is outside partner but not in CBMP, then I suggest you first give an example of a step of the left foot that goes in the ordinary position which is every bit as much "outside the partner" as this step three off a fishtail is, and then mentioning the fishtail as an example on the other side. By doing so, you will demonstrate the fundamental flaw in the question - it either has no answers, or dozens.

Anonymous.I am inclined to agree with Alex Moore who said CBMP on 1 and 7, Which are both Slows. If it follows a Cross Chasse I doubt if it will be done any other way. If you are worried about the foot position and CBMP then look at a Contre Check, its in line.