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Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Anonymous
4/18/2005  10:20:00 AM
No, the fault lies with the choreographer. This whole 2/4 vs 4/4 tango thing is an overstatement - the structure is always there, it just may not be as obvious. Many people will realize the off-phrase steps are hard (and maybe sneak in delaying slows) without realizing why.

If you care about phrasing, you need to learn to phrase your combinations, not criticize the DJ. It's not really any different than foxtrot which also has groupings that will put you on 3412 rather than 1234. It's acceptable to dance any foxtrot figure on 3412, but you will probably be happier if you work your choreography to quickly return you to measure alignment.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Onlooker
5/15/2005  11:44:00 PM
Anonymous. I would agree with your comments. Very well put and easy to understand. There is always a but. And that is if you were judging, and there was little difference between two couples and you needed to choose. I think you would go for the couple who are in phrase with the music if the others were not. Another but is that teachers are telling us we must dance in eight bar phrasing also. It might be a little difficult if we are on 3412.
Re: Weight Change in the Int. Tango
Posted by Anonymous
5/16/2005  12:49:00 AM
The funny thing about dancing specific length phrases is that the only people who will know if you pull it off are you and your partner... no judge is going to watch you for 8 bars unless you are alone or nearly so.

However, a judge might as you suggest notice if the pattern of stress in your dancing matches that of the music at a given point in time, or at least if it seriously mis-matches it. So that's what you need to worry about - not getting exactly 8 bars, but simply avoiding conflict with the music.

Every one of the standard dances has a two-piece pattern of musical units that are technically interchangeable, but still different enough that dance figures fit to them one way a bit better than they do the other. For tango, foxtrot, and quickstep, this unit is the slow or half-measure, while for both waltzes it is the whole measure. Unfortunatley, a lot of groupings take an odd number of these units, and insertions you might like to make for floorcraft reasons can throw things off as well.

And there are also longer phrases as you mentioned, which come with their own highlights in the music. Those would be points where you would especially want to have your figures in the ideal relationship to the two-piece pattern, and if you could even go so far as to pick something somewhat climatic.

Figuring out how to do it all is of course hard. One thing to do is to preplan phrased routines or at least walls. Another is to listen to the music as you dance, try to hear where it is going (either in terms of the two-piece pattern or the full phrase) and then make plans to catch the music, either immediately, or perhaps intentionally delaying this resolution a bit into the future to build up energy.
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