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Re: When does a beat start (or end)?
Posted by Jerry
6/14/2005  8:04:00 AM
This link doesn't exactly address your question, but it is closely related, and very interesting reading.

http://www.eijkhout.net/ftb/index.html
Re: When does a beat start (or end)?
Posted by Don
6/14/2005  10:31:00 PM
Jerry. I'm with you on this one, which confirms a description I have on a audio tape taken at a lecture concerning rise and fall.The lecturer was somebody who's name is well known to all of us. He said imagine you have a chid on a swing. Your arms are above your head ready to push off. Your downward swing doesn't finish untill the swing is on its way up. It's that elusive moment right there that we are striving for. So on three I am up on my toes, I lower, now I am at the bottom of the arc ready to rise My way of thinking is without three we have no one. The two must blend together and not be seperated. I would like to hear more on this, or is there no more to be added. Just my thoughts. Instead of rise and fall should we be thinking more towards fall and rise. Now that's different.
Re: When does a beat start (or end)?
Posted by Anonymous
6/14/2005  10:47:00 PM
Yes... we learn early on that if you want to stop or hold in the swing dances, you do it when you are up. Don't lower until you are clear to move through to the next upswing.
Re: When does a beat start (or end)?
Posted by phil.samways
6/15/2005  5:34:00 AM
Jerry - thanks for the music link
I will just have to learn to live with the inconsistency that beats are defined by the onset of notes (beat 1 in waltz or foxtrot starting when the first note in the bar is struck)and the foot placements, which occur on these beats (ignoring artistic interpretation)are half-way through the steps. I know artistic interpretation is, ultimately, what dancing is all about. However, there has to be a bedrock somewhere, and that's what i'm talking about.
Because i learnt to play music a long-long time before i learnt to dance, i will probably always be more comfortable with beats, rather than steps. I do find it 'unsatisfactory' (if that makes sense) that the technique books talk about the steps in a figure, rather than where you are in relation to the music (i.e. which beat we're on) - especially since dancing is about interpreting the music.
On a slightly different, and possibly more controversial point, there are so few text books on dancing that they tend to be regarded as 'bibles' on the subject. In my profession (science and engineering) there are countless texts, some brilliant, many good, many poor and some hopeless. This is just accepted and adds to the rich character of science and engineering (which is not that unlike dancing, surprisingly).
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