Since the lead must come from the body and the shoulders, and the arms are only a pretty extension of the shoulders, perhaps the training position should be to have the leader keep his hands on his HIPS. That way, the follower can put her hands on his shoulders and experience the lead directly. Later you can prettify it with hand holds.

Also, btw, the issue must be how to telegraph the lead ahead of time- how to send a lead signal sufficiently before committing to the step, so that partner can prepare to follow.

Jerry

I remember a couple of useful exercies from many years ago in England.

First, use a "record sleeve" (CD paper covers work now there are no 7" singles anywhere) between the couple to show when you lose contact. Just do Change Steps, Natural and Reverse turns in waltz and see how long the sleeve stays before falling.

Second, once the contact is consistently there, use an extremely light right hand pressure to maintain contact. For example use just a single finger on the lady's back to kepp the contact.

Third, do that without any left hand hold, but with the left (lady's right) hands in correct position.

These are all aimed at getting the lead from the man's body movement to the lady.

Gordon R. The main problem is usually the mans right hand and arm. The hand could be removed, you don't need it. It's the ladies armpit on the wrist that is important. Watch others also and see how on a Reverse Turn the elbow gets behind the body and is know longer level with the front of the ribcage. In other words the body moved and the arm didn't go with it. It gets left behind. One way of proving this is to dance solo with your tie in the hand held taught. See if it can be kept in the one position..

"Watch others also and see how on a Reverse Turn the elbow gets behind the body and is know longer level with the front of the ribcage. In other words the body moved and the arm didn't go with it."

This is usually because the upper body rotated too much and too soon.

Reverse turn CBM is primarily in the hips at the start, with the upper body turning only later in the step. If you try to turn your upper body early, maintaining a frame would require bringin your partner across into a left offset. To keep the right offset you have to keep what is almost a left side lead in the top. Dancers showing the problem you see are keeping their hands in the right position with their partner's body, but mistakenly allowing their shoulders to rotate too early, to an orientation incompatible with their partner's location. Broken lines at the shoulder joints then make up the difference...

Anonymous,
Is the result same in fallaway reverse slip pivot ( lady part ) if the upper part turns too early, too much, too soon ? Usually, I kept my head weight more left , my left shoulder and spine in line with my standing foot to reponse to man's position. Maybe , I ignored excessive upper body turn happened. Thanks reminding .
Ylchen