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Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by paul&dot
1/31/2008  10:27:00 AM
Serendipidy I agree the dance track has been established at the end of 2. But remember Step 2 has a beginning and an end. I understand all your points and agree with everything including, Alex Moore was a very precise person- Carry that idea to your original question, PREPARE is very precise- In the framework of the entire description the word ‘PREPARE is very powerful. It suggests something is going to occur maybe not totally under the Man's control. PREPARE does not propose he do anything, just that he gets ready to do something. The words “to step” tell the man what to do, the word OUTSIDE tell him where to step to reassure he not does step back inside. The final step outside makes the narrative complete in my mind.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by Serendipidy
2/1/2008  12:04:00 AM
Here's another to examine. In the Foxtrot is the second step of a Reverse Turn a step to the side or is it a step that travels which would be more to the rear. Before anybody makes up their mind go to Marcus Hilton Basic Foxtrot on youtube.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by terence2
2/1/2008  2:22:00 AM
A word of caution here-- what the Pros dance, and what may be required as an answer in a prof. exam-- possibly may dis agree . -

As judges, we do allow " poetic" licence on occasion .
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by Serendipidy
2/1/2008  9:57:00 PM
How do you teach it.Is it a step to the side as it is written. What does Marcus Hilton do.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by terence2
2/1/2008  11:42:00 PM
It depends on the individual or the class-- if its medal class work-- book adherence is necessary-- i do ,-- sometimes -- show alternatives .

Remember-- the book is a guide, and there has been some disagreement over points of techn. for many yrs ( classic e.g, till changed -- 4th step nat. going into spin turn )
Evolution in dance, is ongoing-- with music changes-- style changes have occured-- the " Modern " trend .-- samething happened when the 2/4 signature changed to 4/4.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by GermanDanceTeacher
2/2/2008  1:07:00 AM
At the Youtube video he underturns 1-3, step 3 backing DW and does a 1/8 between 3 and 4. I don't understand why he does it that way, I would do it as written in ISTD technique.

Step 2 I dance like written in the book "to side, backing DW" and this means NOT going along LOD but following the line DC. In some medal classes for making an easier sequence I teach the Rev. Turn starting facing LOD and doing 1/8 more between 1-2. Even in that situation man doesn't dance step 2 along LOD (like many beginners want), but should dance 3/8 to left between 1-2 to get step 2 moving DC. This step moving along LOD would result in big trouble concerning lady's heel turn, especially her following step 3, because man would drift away instead of dancing AROUND the lady's hell turn spot. With beginners making that drifting-away mistake you even often see the lady stepping OUTSIDE at 3, not able to follow the man.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by Serendipidy
2/2/2008  6:07:00 PM
German Teacher. I would draw attention to Alex Moores book. A Reverse Turn. When it says on step two, RF to the side across LOD continue to turn on ball of RF and step LF back. That is exactly what it means. When it says that between 1 and 3 there is three-eighths of a turn doesn't alter the above alignment in any way
Among the general notes it says . Do not let the third step swing outwards. Keep it well under the body. Which is exactly how Marcus Hilton
Chris Hawkins Timothy Howson do it.
At no time is it written that any of those steps, especially step two, will have you backing diagnal to the wall
Which of the books say to the side backing diagnal to the wall. It's not in mine.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by GermanDanceTeacher
2/3/2008  12:46:00 AM
I said step 2 moves DC (ISTD "Ballroom Technique": step 1 facing DC, step 2 backing DW with 1/4 between 1,2) - BTW moving DC is moving across LOD. That topic is NOT a problem of the Hilton video, because he uses a complete different alignment.
I see at the Youtube video man's step 3 ending DW instead of LOD - then he does an 1/8 between 3-4 which is quite strange because it all breaks the line of transfer energy into the next swing of the Feather Finish.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by Serendipidy
2/3/2008  1:14:00 AM
German Teacher. This is the way i would work it out. I turn at the end of step one. If three is straight back down LOD, feet brushing. Then where does step two go.
The teacher who introduced backing diagnal to the wall on that second step some fifteen years ago. Today doesn't teach that way. If he does nobody is listening. We all have eyes so lets look for ourselves at what the best dancers in the world are doing.
If we are doing the Reverse Turn where the lady passes the feet and doesn't do a Heel Turn and the steps are O/S partner, thats a different story. The second step will be a backward step and the ladies steps are forward.
Re: Stepping O/s Lady
Posted by SocialDancer
2/3/2008  3:09:00 AM
"Which of the books say to the side backing diagonal to the wall. It's not in mine."

All the books used by the major dance associations for their teacher examinations!

ISTD Ballroom Technique, used by many associations.

Guy Howard's Technique of Ballroom Dancing, The IDTA's bible.

The UKA Ballroom Book, by Ken Akrill (P)2006

If you look at the footprint diagram in Alex Moore you will see that step 2 is clearly placed backing DW. The RF continues to turn as step 3 is taken.

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