anymouse, I just tried that, and it does help. It will be a different "feel" that will take some time, but I can see where it will make a difference. Thanks for the tip. It's one of those subtle things that make a big difference in a dance this fast-paced. I also like the analogy of a traveling dance that happens to rotate, as opposed to vice versa. Just to be clear, though, you did mean "make the turn more as you arrive on step 2" and not step 3, correct? When I tried it, I went L forward on step 1, R side/forward on step 2 with some rotation, and then L step 3 passing in front of R. It seemed to smooth it out for me.

Too often, discussions of turning figures center on the footwork. It is very important to keep in mind that the shoulders are as important in any such figure as the feet.

If you fail to turn your shoulders properly, the footwork will be more difficult.

jj

"Too often, discussions of turning figures center on the footwork. It is very important to keep in mind that the shoulders are as important in any such figure as the feet."

Yes, often problems with foot position are a symptom of problems in the aim of body movement.

But problems with foot action could be different - either they body not giving the foot a chance to do its thing, or simply poor foot technique as its own problem.

The original positng was concerning the International Style of V.Waltz. On a Reverse Turn there is about zero rise and fall. It is as flat as the footwork will allow.. On the Reverse Turn turn over the RF on the second step, and get step three down right on the beat of three. In short don't try to lower and step at the same time.

"The original positng was concerning the International Style of V.Waltz. On a Reverse Turn there is about zero rise and fall. It is as flat as the footwork will allow.."

This is not correct. If you go back to the descriptions, there is rise and fall in the reverse turn too.

It would be correct to say that it's substantially less than in the natural turn, and it would probably also be correct to say that many over do it when trying to learn the dance, but it should still be there to a degree.

Anonymous.If you Google. Emotiontv. es and catch the solo V.Waltz from an IDSF competition. You can see in the Solo dancing that the reverse is very flat, Even in the Natural there is more travell than lift than there used to be..

Hello again,

I occasionaly came on this message board to see what were some suggestions. I must say, that most of the things about the Viennese I've been told, such as the space, speed, etc. I knew all that already. The idea for the viennese came from tradition, we dance it on our weddings in Slovenia, Austria and other countries, but ofcourse the social version, which is a piece of cake. Now even if some of you provoked in me a real beast, lol, since I am as stuborn as it gets, after a loooot of thinking, I spoke to my sister's partner who is a great dance teacher, especially for competitive international standard, and as he pointed out straight like you guys did...do not waste your time of months and then realize, that you cannot dance the reverse...there is no quick way to learn that. Besides, the speed will allow very little room for the choreography even if we take some figures from latin or other dances. So my dear FRIENDS, thanks for your advices...I actually listened...and WE ARE DOING THE WALTZ. By the way, we already started with the learning process on our own, he in States, me in Europe with a visual help of dvd and a footage made by my two teachers here. Terence2, we will contact you as soon as my buddy over there is ready with the basics and confident enough to continue preparing until my arrival which should be sometimes in october. Again, no matter how hessitant at first, I thank all you guys, you opened my eyes. M