Jill. Its nice to hear a female joining in the dicussions. I was getting the impression that ladies put up and shut up. In other words do as your told and don't ask questions.
Any way. The Reverse Weave from an Open Telemark. You are aware that the third step on beat three is a step to the side. as is nearly all steps on beat three in the Modern Waltz. Which includes the step on step six which is on a third beat as you exit the Reverse Weave..This may have a bearing on what you are discussing. Think about step three on the Open Telemark. That is also a step to the side for both the lady and the man. There are some steps that are obviously not so. Double Reverse Spin and also the Wing are two. Although it could be argued that for the lady the (and) three on the Double Reverse could qualify as a step to the side.

"Think about step three on the Open Telemark. That is also a step to the side for both the lady and the man."

That is precisely what the question is about, though concentrating on the man's steps.

Step 3 of the telemark is side and slightly fwd when followed by a cross hesitation, but side and slightly back when followed by a wing. The first part of the question is - why the difference?

Those are the only two follows listed for the open telemark although others, such as the weave, are obviously possible. So the second part of the question is - what is the man's foot position on step 3 of an open telemark for other possible follows?

Social Dancer.Surely the step has to do with that in the Wing the first step for the man is going to be a very strong CBMP. For the lady there is CBMP One as well as Three.In all the years I have been performing the Wing it has never at any time entered into my mind where that steps should go. It goes where it needs to go so that we are able to keep a good line and not have two sets of hips glaring at anybody who happens to be looking in our direction. On the Wing ladies, give it a go with your head hard left after step one through to three. You will find it is much neater to exit into the next figure. Something else that gets lost on the Wing for the Lady is the correct rise and fall which is . Commence to rise at the end of one. Continue to rise on two , up on three. Lower at the end of three. Also watch the footwork. Wasn't there a wartime song called " On a Wing and a Prayer ". Very appropriate

Hi to jill1957

Quote:
/* why is the foot position on step 3 of the open telemark side and sl back as opposed to side or side and sl fwd, when followed by a wing.? */

(what would the foot position be when the open telemark was followed by a quick weave (turning left) - and why ?)

My answers:
When followed by a Wing, man's first step will be taken down, to end pointing to the Line Of Dance (LOD) If the 3rd step of the Open Telemark was placed to the 'Side and Slightly Forward (fwd)' then to take the first step of the Wing to point to the LOD, would mean you would have to lift your Right Foot (RF) off the floor and step over your Left Foot(LF).

/* and a related question (or two questions) what would the foot position be when the open telemark was followed by a quick weave (turning left) - and why? */

When the Quick Weave (or Weave from Promenade Position {PP}) follows an Open Telemark,- when danced on this alignment - then step one will have the same foot position and amount of turn as for the Wing. Step 2 of the Weave will then be taken diagonally to the centre (DC) making an 1/8 to the left between steps 1 and 2, and then continue with the amounts of turn as for a Reverse Turn.

Why this difference?

Because the Open Telemark followed by a Weave is a continued turn to the left, the alignment of step 3 will still be to 'Side and Slightly Back', but the alignment will be facing diagonally to Wall(DW) and not pointing DW with the body having turned less, as for the precede to a Wing.
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Having read your queries, I have the thought that you are studying for a degree in dance. If you don't mind me adding, it would be beneficial to you to study the 3rd steps of the Open Telemark and notice that the lady's 3rd step (or the dancer who uses a HEEL TURN to end in PP) is, 'Diag Fwd'

There ia an exception to this. FIND IT!

Serendipidy wrote; "In all the years I have been performing the Wing it has never at any time entered into my mind where that steps should go."

That is probably why you also said the telemark step 3 is a step to the side for both the lady and the man. For most dancers it does not matter that the telemark changes to suit the following figure. If they were ever taught it they have probably forgotten the detail while probably automatically dancing it correctly.

The subject was raised initially on another site discussing a recent new sequence dance which included the open telemark followed by a quick weave. As jill1957 explained earlier, the telemark starting alignment was unusual being changed to suit this combination. The telemark starts DC against LOD and ends pointing DC. The weave is thus started moving DC as it would if it followed a normal open impetus, so there is no turn for the man on step 1.
The question raised was 'what should the man's foot position be for step 3 of the telemark in this case?'. My answer was, side and slightly fwd.

i meant to reply to this. but accidentally started a new thread instead (untitled but which appears as started by annew). sorry for the mess-up.

ok my reply (on the other thread) seems to not be readable. so i'll just repeat it.

i'm not sure whether the footwork (step 3) for the open telemark to weave (with the alignments as specified in previous posts) is side and slightly fwd (on the grounds that there is no turn for the man on step 1 of the weave) - or side and slightly back (on grounds that man must make it possible for lady to get ahead of him on 3 in order that she can then move infront of him on step 1 of the weave) [cf open impetus where she is ahead anyway even prior to step 3.

Also, what is the foot position for step 3 of a CLOSED telemark on the standard alignment followed by a closed wing with the man turning on step 1 of the wing to end the wing facing DC.

This particular variation ( when danced in partnership ) seems to cause more problems than most of the same level.

evaluating the " root " cause , sight unseen , is a dangerous proposition at best .

One thing that mystifies me is how it is when we qualify for professional exams that such a big deal is made of remembering detailed foot positions, but on the other hand, when it comes to working out what should be on figures that aren't
examined/officially described, there is still a lot of confusion (myself included). Perhaps it suggests a problem in the focus of professional exams, and that more emphasis should be placed on understanding the details rather than simply remembering them.

That depends on the level of the exam.

I would tend to agree ... the theoretical side is left too late in the exam. process.

Its kind of ironic, that the most important phase of learning for the beginner, is the foundation material .

The Rev techn. addresses the so called " techn. " aspects at Assoc. level, but does fall way short on detail and explanation .

One could argue, that is the trainers responsibility to prepare the candidate... which is a moot point .