jj. Thank you for the reply on the DNS. Possibly here the lady does not need to cross her feet.

While we're on the subject of mirror images, has anyone noticed the mirror-like relationship between the Closed Impetus and the Closed Telemark? Hint--just reverse the parts and the direction of turn of one of the figures.

jj, You can use various timings fro the hover cross depending on the exit you want.

Standard waltz timing to follow with a weave or weave from PP, or a closed wing or for a continuous hover cross into 456 of a reverse.

Or syncopate the entry 12&3,123 to follow with normal reverse figures.

As you say, play with it and see what you like.

While you are playing, try this one to see if you can do as well as your partner....

1-3 natural turn, double natural spin with man dancing lady's steps and vice versa, man LF back into chasse to R. Follow with travelling contra-check and weave from PP.

SocialDancer, I've done 1-2-3 of a Reverse into the lady's steps of a DRS, exiting with an Outside Change. We could swap the OC for 4-5-6 of a Reverse into a Whisk and a Chasse' from PP. We'll have to work on the phrasing.

I just recently changed partners and my new partner is new to Standard (even though she's done Smooth for several years). Once she gets some experience, I'll try your combination with her.

jj

[slaps head]
Obviously, I couldn't do 4-5-6 of a reverse out of the lady's position after a DRS.

jj

cdroge. It is better to understand the difference in the rise between a Waltz and a Foxtrot in words that anybody can understand.
Waltz... Commence to rise at the end of step one, Continue to rise on step two and three. Lower at the end of three.
Foxtrot. Feather Step... Rise at the end of one. Up on two and three. Lower at the end of three.
The Lady in the Waltz has no foot rise on one.
The basic action does not alter whether you are doing a Whisk or whatever. Stepping to the side, as in all the steps, will be from a toe to a toe and not from a flat foot to a toe.
The lady when going backwards on a Feather Step has no foot rise at all.. Does the lady have a Heel Turn on a Natural Movement, Try the Natural Telemark or a Hover Cross.
Its all in the book.

There is a dis agreement in the " book " rise and fall, specifically in the mans footwork in the Feather..the book is ONLY a guide

I should have got back sooner as my question was not understood due to my poor example. It has been said that through the power of compression,cbm and swing that we arrive onto{float} the left foot with a high heal at the end of two of the NT without any use or rise from that foot, hence my question about a soft knee and push. It has been recently been written in a text book that the correct method is to STEP and Swing and not to STEP and Push. Cheers

"It has been said that through the power of compression,cbm and swing that we arrive onto{float} the left foot with a high heal at the end of two of the NT without any use or rise from that foot, hence my question about a soft knee and push. It has been recently been written in a text book that the correct method is to STEP and Swing and not to STEP and Push."

Not quite sure what was proposed, but you should not be trying to arrive on step two fully risen. The rise would need to continue as the free foot closes, and even a little bit more as the weight change is accomplished.

However, I would agree that the rise occurring during the later part of step two and the earlier part of step three feels more like you are "floating up" from the swing than that you are lifting yourself by intentionally pushing with your muscles.

Find Marcus or Luca on youtube and look in particular at the rise that can be seen on steps between step one and two of a Feather, or a Reverse Turn. Or step four to five of on a Reverse or any simular step. If you have difficulty itemizing, then put it into slow motion if you can. I have found a way, and the push up can be seen as clear as day which is as it is written in your technique books. Rise at the end of the first step into the movement. This can be any of the above ,or on an Open Telemark. Natural Turn and so on and so forth. Everywhere it says rise at the end of the first step in the Foxtrot that is what you should be doing.
Now to the Waltz. You should not be pushing up in the Waltz as we do in the Foxtrot. It has an entirely different technique. To understand one we must also understand the other.

Yes the rise at the end of the first step of the feather is from the back foot the foot we are leaving and NOT also from the foot we are arriving on the forward foot.