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Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by terence2
1/6/2010  4:48:00 AM
I can assure you.. NO additions were made to the syl. at Comp. level in Intern style.. proposals.. yes.. but rejected..

And Jonathon,,interesting comment that rotation in one direction will cause dizziness,, strange, in as much that ONLY natural turns were danced for multi yrs , with apparently no ill effect .
That is not to say however, that some people might be affected..
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by dheun
1/6/2010  8:00:00 AM
Jonathan, Thanks for taking the time for such a complete explanation. Your thoughts on CBL are excellent and easy to comprehend. Your explanation of the steps may take me a few reads before it sinks in, but it will surely be helpful. Mastering the VW has been elusive, and even though it doesn't come up often when we go to dance to live music, I would like to get far more comfortable with it. At the studio, of course, we can request it more often.
I'd be about 50-50 on the dizzy thing. Sometimes I get dizzy, other times not so much. To be honest, it seems like it depends on what I have been doing beforehand. Hours of work on the computer usually translates into being more prone to dizziness. A day outside in fresh air and doing different tasks would translate into more stamina and a clearer head, I guess!
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by garryfong
1/7/2010  7:42:00 PM
It is hard to see good VW dance nowaday. VW contains many standard Waltz elements but should not dance like a normal Waltz. i.e. Step 1 of natural turn has no CBM. It dances side way and sway left. It is not a turning and turning dance. Through out the 6 steps of natural turn, there is only one complete turn. To change from one direction to the next i.e. natural to reverse, one should really follow the music phrasing. There are 8 bars to a chord and it is where end and beginning of the next phrase. When you got stuck in a tight room, for the beginner, you can dance side steps to steps until the room is cleared.
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by Three Wise Men
1/8/2010  2:09:00 PM
I was told that in the V.Waltz the alignments must be correct. To start with a Natural we must be facing diag to the centre. Our first step will go down the LOD. This stops us over rotating. Because of the speed we dance, after the eigth bar try to finish facing centre. the rotation will then naturaly turn us to diag to centre A Forward Change will finish with us facing the LOD. If we finished diag to centre we would over rotate our Reverse movement. These alignments must be stuck to throughout the dance.I was also told try not to do Reverse Turns on the short sides of the ballroom, which is sides two and four. If you did on the small side going around the corner. Your stepping back side together will become mistakenly something resembling a heel turn and then feet together. Not good.
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by dheun
1/9/2010  12:14:00 PM
The light bulb has really gone off now! It turns out that I learned the Reverse with the Viennese Cross as the first steps in that dance. I was then trying to do the dance mostly with the Reverse cross and rarely incorporating the Natural. I was wrongly believing that the Reverse was the main step to use throughout most of the dance. Now that I see the difference, especially that there is no cross in the Natural, I think the whole dance is going to come much easier to me.
Thanks so much for the explanations. It took some time to sink in, that's for sure.
I find it hard to believe that I wasn't catching on that the Natural was the way to start and, at least for me, so much easier to master. I know my instructor tried to teach me the change from Reverse to Natural at one time, but I was so frustrated with being able to do the Reverse for a long period of time, that I kind of blanked everything else out. This is like a revelation and it made my day!
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by Three Wise Men
1/9/2010  3:12:00 PM
dheun. Something else that gets missed is the sixth step of the Natural V. Waltz is Foot Flat and not a TH.
Richard Gleave insists also keep the toe on the floor. All of this does make a difference to the rise and fall, and helps to control, and not overturn the movement, especially before going into a Forward Change at the end of the eighth bar or the fourth..
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by Cyd
1/9/2010  3:36:00 PM
Terence. Mirko and Alessia in there V. Waltz Demonstration do a Left Whisk which I thought at first was some kind of Contra Check. Thats the way they attacked it with a really quick checking action.
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by terence2
1/9/2010  11:25:00 PM
In Demos, anything is fair game..BUT.. NOT in the world of Comps.
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by Cyd.
1/14/2010  1:38:00 PM
Terence. I watched our National Championships which went to air on TV Christmas day. In all catogaries, which included Professionals as well as Amateurs the V. Waltz was kept to the absolute basics. I saw no Pivots but one couple did go into a Left Whisk but only to avoid a collision. The Flckerl's were few and far between.
Some only doing them in the one direction .
Re: Getting stuck in place
Posted by terence2
1/15/2010  9:09:00 AM
And where is " our " Nat. champs ?..

it sounds like they were adhering to Intern. rules.. Few Fleck. ? .. interesting..

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