I should have put this in before. On the Double Reverse Spin both the man and the lady turn your head , for want of a better description, Hard left. Try it it solves a lot of problems and makes the step a breeze. From the preceeding step usually a Reverse Fallawy get the head over before the Slip Pivot and hold it there through the Double Reverse into the Open Telemark.

"I should have put this in before. On the Double Reverse Spin both the man and the lady turn your head , for want of a better description, Hard left."

Yes, one school of thought holds that the use of reverse CBM is first visible in the hips and head, but no so much in the shoulders. So in the initial stages of a reverse turning action, the lady can have a feeling of really looking over her shoulder.

As leader I'm going to have to experiment with keeping my head left - I know I usually allow it to spot somewhat in a telemark, so it will be interesting to see if this helps magnify the difference.

I would like to know if anyone both man or lady on a Double Reverse Spin have tried keepng their head hard to the left through the Double Reverse into an Open Telemark, and found that it does not help make the move more flowing and less like a wrestling match.

Hi Don, I started this thread to better understand the DRS and am so pleased that people have discussed the before and after moves namely fallaway, slip pivot and the open telemark respectively. During this time I have been having private lessons and yes the left lead helps alot. This is head and shoulders in a "left lead" position. I have also learned that the lady needs to execute the slip pivot correctly in order for the DRS to be comfortable. My problems were "not turning the whole body throughout the pivot" and "not allowing the man to move first after the slip". The whole sequence is now much smoother. Cheers Sandra

Hi Sandra My teacher just on the Slip Pivot as a man had me getting the feeling I was going slightly back down LOD going into the place the lady was leaving. If that makes any sense. Like changing places almost on the spot. Now you can power off into the Double Reverse and flow into the Open Telemark .That is with both you and your partners head hard left. You should not be able to see each other even out of the corner of your eye. I hope this helps you and if it does pass it on to others. I always remember many years ago the great Bill Irvine saying." Sometimes you can cure a fault with a fault". there's a lot of sense there. In my case it worked. Best of luck and of course a Merry Christmas.

Lets deal with the mans Double Reverse for a change. This cured most of my faults I can now do a Double Reverse as good as any. Steven Hillier tape. Put your left foot under your left shoulder and your right foot under your right elbow. For me the last part is the most important. Also have a look if you can at a good competitor and don't take the timing for granted . Not all are counting 1 2and 3 some are 1 2 3 and. The Fallaway also.

Sandra. There is a awfull lot of corespondence concerning the Double Reverse Spin for something which is reletivaly easy to do. After learning the correct footwork and steps just keep your head hard left, this is also for the man. Try it and you will find that you will slip through this without even trying. What sometimes happens is the head gets overtaken by the body causing all sorts of problems. I think Latin dancers who spin in nearly every one of their dances could explain the importance of the head position being correct. Just say to your partner. Have you tried turning the head hard to the left and keep it there throughout the whole movement. And do the same yourself. Hard Left.

Don, yes this has ben a long thread in fact it is so long that I have grown in dance knowledge throughout the duration. I just read the article on spinning from the learning centre and can understand your comment on Latin dancers. I am actually doing those exercises to help with other spins and will also now take more notice at practice tomorrow. I think all of the talk about CBM is what I am now interpreting as winding up your ribcage particularly from the slip into the pivot. My step now into that pivot is much shorter than previous and I am very high on toes by start of the pivot. I am now thinking about the power into the the pivot itself that takes you to finish your pivot with your Back (lady) backing LOD. Is it simply momentum or should I be powering off the right leg by lowering? Sandra

Reverse pivots (like the slip pivot) lower while natural pivots have a feeling of rise.

Sandra. I have a tape by Richard Gleaves.On it he said that by the correspondence that he gets is seems that the Reverse Fallaway is a problem.He said with your partner do a Curving Three Step. Now the Lady does exactly that as the man goes into his Fallaway. It does mean that with the curve you will feel that at some point you are moving slightly against the LOD. After that the slip pivot should be a breeze. Dont forget to lower when going from one move to another. After the Fallaway get the head looking left and keep it there.