"Suomynona. Your last pharagraph 3/15/06
Only confirms what Len Scriviner was preaching over 50 years ago. Foxtrot Feather Step. He said after the first quick we are actually on our way down."

True, but

"Correct me if I am wrong. The books say up on two and three. Lower at the end of three. Which is wrong so the man said in his book . "

You are wrong, and the book is right. The lowering action does not commence until the end of step 3, just as is written.

You are still confusing the action of lowering, something that occurs in the ankles and knees, with the incidental reduction of altitude that occurs as your feet seperate. The lowering action is in the book with the correct timing - it does not occur before the given point. The earlier incidental loss of altitude is not mentioned, in part because it would have been far less visible with the lesser amount of leg division used in that day.

Again, remember the book is not written for students, and as a result a simple reading will be misleading. It is written to remind teachers of details they should already know.

That is why I say to those who say we should spend a year reading the book.BUNCK

"That is why I say to those who say we should spend a year reading the book.BUNCK"

How about, don't read the book unless you are prepared to spend a few years learning to understand what it actually says.

Many teachers can quote the words from memory, but few fully understand or can demonstrate their implications.

Dave. In the early 50's I never knew a teacher that did not do as your wrote about Michael Barr taking that extra step. Wally Fryer Bob Burgess just to mention two. Open Telemark, Open Impetus
When teaching or demonstrating they never finished hanging up the air They all lowered and took the next heel lead. I always thought the idea was that we learned to lower into the next step.

Many people hang up to long,not letting gravity determine the the length of time. Starting a variation from a stationary telemark position my teacher a world finalist would not let me rise but start in the lowered position which would anoy me as it was harder to get going.

"Starting a variation from a stationary telemark position my teacher a world finalist would not let me rise but start in the lowered position which would anoy me as it was harder to get going. "

Again, a case of someone who may (or for all we know may not) dance fairly well, but whose misunderstanding of the dynamics makes their teaching misleading.

No you are wrong or misunderstand what I said. You don't push up on to the toes to rise even starting from a telemark,Bad habits are hard to correct.

"No you are wrong or misunderstand what I said. You don't push up on to the toes to rise even starting from a telemark,Bad habits are hard to correct."

Well you are not making much sense.

If you do not rise, the figure is not a telemark.

If you rise from a stationary start, the dynamics of dancing are poor.

What exactly was the teacher requesting?

I am not sure if we are writting about this, but I would like to bring this small point in. On an Open Telemark there is sway to the left on step two . Many dancers are on their way down on step three. As they are on the second quick of a Feather Step. Now go look at your videos and tell me it is not so. This would be a good reason for finishing when teaching an Open Telemark on the following heel as per Michael Barr.

Don this is a good point but the real resone is not to intentionaly stay up any longer than the body flight has determined. On the swing we have turned the engine power off and just cruised to landing on the right heal(one)ready to compress and and fire the engines again for take off swing and glide.