Lost once again with names that never was. What is a Closed Telemark. Is it as it is in my book a Foxtrot Step which goes under the name of The Telemark. And what is a Closed Wing.

Many figures have the option to end in closed position or open to PP. Very often the figure is assumed to end closed so as you say a Telemark is normally assumed to end in closed position, be it in foxtrot, waltz or quickstep. It can help avoid uncertainty if the term 'closed' is used when mentioning the figure, particularly when comparing and contrasting the variants.

Equally the wing is assumed to start in PP. A closed wing simply starts in closed position and is a standard book figure. Generally danced in waltz it can be a useful crash prevention in the quickstep, moving the lady quickly out of harms way to the man's left side.

I agree some sequence dances may appear contrived due to their requirement of being repeatable every 16 bars. That does not mean that playing with alignments, amounts of turn or syncopation are wrong. Many people pay lots of money to be shown similar choreography by their teachers or top professionals. Published sequence dances are all winners of 'inventive' competitions, so it is good that they are inventive sometimes.

Social Dancer. Always willing to learn. The Closed Wing starting in line for the lady must be something resembling a Left Side Feather starting with the ladies LF.
Regarding Sequence Dances. One of our teachers said they have what is called a Poetic Licence with timing, steps and alignment.

"The Closed Wing starting in line for the lady must be something resembling a Left Side Feather starting with the ladies LF."

The textbook closed wing starts in closed position, but not inline. Instead, the commencing position sets the lady up to step back in CBMP with her partner outside.

Social Dancer. I can see it all now. A new Sequence Dance which has a Open Telemark and a Quick Weave. In Sequence Dancing they use some crazy alignments as well as some ridiculously out of rhythm steps. There problem is trying to fit things into finishing exactly on sixteen bars of music and be on the same foot that the dance started on in the beginning and also at the same time being on the same alignment that the dance started on. Many of the steps go a bit overboard.. There is one where an Open Impetus is started down the LOD. It also finishes down LOD and then also down the LOD a Natural Fallaway which also finishes down the same LOD. What a mess.

seemingly, still no clear agreement or obvious answers to the original question ?

Hi to all.
Could someone give the amounts of turn, as man, for the Open Telemark when commenced facing Diag to Centre, Against the Line of Dance, keeping in mind that the Quick Weave commences Diag Centre, on step 1.

The amounts of turn are exactly the same as for an open telemark in the normal textbook alignment, but the whole figure is turned 1/4 left. So we have,

Commence to turn L on 1
1/4 between 1 & 2
1/2 between 2 & 3, body turns less

Commence facing DC ALOD, end in PP
pointing DC body facing LOD.

First step of weave would then be RF fwd in CBMP and PP, pointing DC body facing LOD. IMHO, it does not need to be fwd and across in CBMP so there is no need for the final foot position of the telemark to be changed from 'side and slightly fwd'.

Thanks for your reply, SocialDancer.

I must be missing something here. If I commence an Open Telemark Diag to the centre with the LOD and finish diag to the centre with the LOD. Isn't that one full turn. Where is the normal text book alignment there.???. If I turn a 1/4 of a turn on step one,
( not the end of step one ) then step one is actually starting diag to centre against the LOD.