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Re: Degree of Rise
Posted by Dave
12/29/2005  3:18:00 AM
Don. my teacher would also say up,up,up, but the third up is on the forth step(the slow) in other words,don't lower to quickly on the slow.
Re: Degree of Rise
Posted by suomynona
12/29/2005  6:23:00 AM
"The rise on the Quarter Turn is not the same as in the Progressive Chasse. There is also sway on the Quarter Turns , there is none in the Progressive Chasse and we have the NFR coming into this also.As well as CBM we have CBMP."

Please take a second look at the book.

The rise on the quarter turn and progressive chasse is the same slow progression. Both use NFR on the first step for the partner inside the turn. It is true that the turn officially has sway and the chasse does not, however in actual practice the difference will be slight - the figures are nearly as symmetric as practical given the differences between right and left in this context.

CBMP placement is used when the preceding figure requires that the first step of the quarter turn be taken outside partner. Due to the offset in the hold, the lady does not need CBMP to step outside her partner with her left foot into the progressive chasse - all ordinary left foot steps go there anyway.
Re: Degree of Rise
Posted by Don
12/29/2005  1:49:00 PM
Suomynona. Bit of a mistake there and I took more than one look at the technique book. I have never struck a Progressive Chasse where the lady steps outside the man in step one. According to the book. CBM on one,nobody said that it was anything other than CBM. CBMP on the fifth, which has the man out side the lady on that 5th step, which we all know is the first step of a Natural movement. Or do we. I think what gets lost is a continuence of technique over all the steps. This includes rise and fall. The sway which we do on the Quarter Turn. Which is to the man's right on 2 and 3. Carries on into the first 3 of a Spin Turn lowering on the 3rd step.It doese not alter but remains the same technique. If you are using a different method, and that is altering the basic technique a competent judge will pick it in a flash.
Question in the Waltz. To recover from an Oversway into a Promenade. What is the correct rise and fall. Remember the basic technique which does not alter.
Re: Degree of Rise
Posted by suomynona
12/29/2005  1:56:00 PM
"Bit of a mistake there and I took more than one look at the technique book."

Well, you need to take one more, because the rise and fall of the progressive chasse and the quarter turn to right are identical.

"I have never struck a Progressive Chasse where the lady steps outside the man in step one."

Nevermind, it was a silly comment and not important (the left foot almost always goes outside the partner's right)

"According to the book. CBM on one,nobody said that it was anything other than CBM."

In the quarter turn, if the previous figure ended in a pre-CBMP position, then step one will be taken outside partner in CBMP but will also use a CBM action.

"CBMP on the fifth, which has the man out side the lady on that 5th step, which we all know is the first step of a Natural movement. Or do we."

The fifth step given for the progressive chasse could be the first step of a natural movement such as a quarter turn to right, or it could also be a flat connecting step followed by a reverse movement such as a quick open reverse or chasse reverse.

"The sway which we do on the Quarter Turn. Which is to the man's right on 2 and 3. Carries on into the first 3 of a Spin Turn lowering on the 3rd step."

No, sway never carries beyond the first half of the first step of the next figure. This is why every figure in the book is given through the point of neutralization - sometimes this overlaps the first half of the first step of the next figure, other times it is the first half of a unique step which is in turn followed by the first step of the next figure. Of course it's possible for two figures in succession to have the same sway, but this does not mean that the sway from the first has been carried into the second.

"Question in the Waltz. To recover from an Oversway into a Promenade. What is the correct rise and fall. Remember the basic technique which does not alter."

The oversway does not use characteristic waltz action, but a modification thereof.
Re: Degree of Rise
Posted by suomynona
12/29/2005  2:10:00 PM
Both the progressive chasse and the quarter turn to right have the following rise and fall:

1) Commence to rise end of 1 (NFR for the inside partner, obviously not for the other)

2) continue to rise on 2 and 3

3) -

4) Up. Lower e/o 4

The book gives no rise for the 5th step of the progressive chasse, but if one is executing an alternating sequence of them this will be replaced by a first step of a quarter turn, so the rise of the following step will in fact be the same in both cases. (No rise would be used if the fifth step were taken as a connector to a reverse figure)
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