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Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by John
2/23/2006  8:37:00 AM
Suomynona. It seems to me that our point of reference is different? I am stating from the distance when we push of from the LF to when the RF touches the floor compered to the distance of the foot position (RF) to foot position(LF). Are you going by Step as per text book?
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by suomynona
2/23/2006  10:44:00 AM
"I am stating from the distance when we push of from the LF to when the RF touches the floor compered to the distance of the foot position (RF) to foot position(LF). Are you going by Step as per text book?"

Yes, the distance between the standing left foot and placed right foot on step one should be LESS THAN the distance between the standing right foot and placed left foot of step two.

If you look at the body positions involved, this is obvious. In step one the body is located directly above the feet and the hips are twisted so the standing hip is in advance - shortening the step. In step two, everything is inclined, lengthening the step, plus the hips are aligned with the leg division also lengthening it.
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Dave
2/23/2006  4:36:00 PM
Some would say that the slow starts with the RF in the back position. Most of the slow count taking place on the LF,this is more natural when compared to walking,the slow being the whole swing of the RF.
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Quickstep
2/23/2006  11:34:00 PM
Dave . I'm not to sure about starting with the RF behind. I would start with the feet under my body and my weight on my RF. Pick up the beat and move onto your preperation step on 3 4 and then first of your Feather on 1 2. Some only use one beat for the prep step and that is beat four . If you count in eight bar phrasing you will prep on eight, and start on the first two beats of the new phrasing. If you are a Social Dancer and not a competition dancer you can dance on 1234 or 3412. Otherwise be aware that there has to be a knowledge of how music is written to dance in the upper grades.
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Anonymous
2/24/2006  4:59:00 AM
he's not talking about how to start moving, but about what point to start counting the time value of the slow from...
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Dave
2/24/2006  5:57:00 AM
Quickstep,there is no preperation step in the middle of a slow foxtrot. My augument is with the defenition of a step as per text,in marching we may have to start with feet together,but on a ten mile walk it never happens again ,the timing being timed by the swinging legs.
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Anonymous
2/24/2006  7:00:00 AM
"Coming into the the Reverse Turn, the lady must move out of the mans way. Not like Alex Moore's book which has the lady still holding a diagnal to the centre position. Somebody is already thinking how does the lady move out of the way . She invites the man through on the Feather Step doesn't she, and she should also on the first step of the Reverse."

This is the thinking of someone who hasn't learned to do actual CBM... you that problem often, and at suprisingly high levels.

The lady can invite the man forward without getting off her original diag center direction of movement. The post even has the clue to how - she manages it just fine in the feather without stepping off the track (if there is any curve in the feather, it's between 2 and 3, same as the only place where there's curve in a reverse turn)

If you do actual CBM, which involves rotating your body until is it no longer aligned with your direction of movement, you will not have any problem making space for your partner when commencing a turn, without needing to step to the side of their path. But it will take about a week of practice to break some lifelong (pre-dance) habits before you can isolate your body parts and recordinate them in this way.


This is the thinking of someone who is completely out of touch with two bodies actually having to dance together. Even with the proper use of CBM the partner dancing backwards cannot dance absolutely straight on their tracks. And I mean absolutely. This is particularly true for reverse turning movements. I not talking about any gross 'stepping out of the way'. But a combination of 3 possible techniques must be employed:

* Both partners dance a curved 1st step, effectively reducing the amount of turn of the entire figure.

* The partner dancing forward dances straight or the 'true line' while the partner dancing backwards makes way, to borrow Alex Moores terminology a slight 'loss of alignment' by the partner dancing backwards.

* The partner dancing forward 'underturns' the figure between 1 and 2 and makes up for it with a larger amount turn on the foot swivel between 2 and 3 or simply ends the figure underturned.

You'll find all the top champs using one or more of the above techniques. The Hiltons cleverly use a combination of these in discretion that it's hard to tell that they are not following 'textbook' technique/ alignments.

Rha

Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Dave
2/24/2006  7:43:00 AM
Rha,thanks for your comments. In Mirko Gozzoli's RT his body is facing center with his feet on the DC line when his weight is approx between both feet. As for timing of the step we sould be talking about knees and not feet. When moving from a previous figure the step starts with the knees passing(along side other knee) with the lower leg trailing.
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Dave continued
2/24/2006  7:59:00 AM
Rha. I have just looked at Alessia Betti's vidio and she stays with her feet right on the DC she does not make way for him to turn,perhaps they are the exception,or could it have to do with the Right side to right side hold? Dave
Re: Constant flow in the Slow Foxtrot
Posted by Anonymous
2/24/2006  9:01:00 PM
While I happen to agree with their methods, I think it's also necessary to point out that they are far to young and inexperienced to be authorities... see what they have to say 10 years into retirement.

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