"On the forth step of the waltz NST the Lady swings under the man and up on the end of four,her body swing and with the mans turning body will drift her higher onto her LF to dance her brush with her RF"

Dave, although there is a degree of swing on step 4, it is very shallow, much shallower than the usual commence to rise e/o 1 (or 4) type of waltz action. As such, by the end of step 4 (foot passing) she is probably no higher than ordinary standing height, if even that. The real rise comes only with step 5.

You may not be dancing it that way of course, but that is how it is supposed to be done - remember you should be taking a heel lead on step 5 yourself, and you hardly want her to be well on her way up at a point where you must still be down in your feet.

Yes,she rises to normal height on step four but her swing is strong and continues into step five with no further effort on her part. On step five the man should only use the power from step four ,the pivot(LF) to rise using the ball of the RF only to turn and not to pop.

Did I hear someone call . I've been following this from the sidelines and it's gotten really messy.

I disagree (Quickstep's view) that there is a pivot on step 4 for the man or the lady. I mean that we do not pivot as the weight arrives over the foot on step 4.

I also disagree (Suomynona's view) that the bulk of the turn that should take place in the pivot takes place as the weight arrives on step 5.

These are two opposing extremes.

What we do have is a strong progressive rotation taking place between steps 4 and 5 that feels like a pivot that travels.

So the way to dance the Spin Turn is to prepare for a strong rotation on step 4 and without actually pivoting and then rotate strongly with progression between step 4 and step 5.

The swing technique used in competative ballroom makes nonsense of discussing the concept of 'how much turn' from measuring the turn of any particular part in isolation at a particular point. It gets a little messy when discussing 'how much turn' by the feet or the body or the head for that matter. And this is particularly the case in the Natural Spin Turn.

Rha

"The swing technique used in competative ballroom makes nonsense of discussing the concept of 'how much turn' from measuring the turn of any particular part in isolation at a particular point. It gets a little messy when discussing 'how much turn' by the feet or the body or the head for that matter. And this is particularly the case in the Natural Spin Turn."

There is a lot of importance to getting the sequence in which various body parts execute the turn right - errors in this are quite common. Even in situations where the amount of turn is variable, the sequence of it's execution is not.

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Hey guys my name is Ekaterina ,bt u can called me Kate!So i am Russian!Does any one live in New Zealand?

i'm from melbourne kate.
i hear russians are very good at Ballroom. whats your story kate.
would like to know more about you.
happy dancing

guys. i dont understand how the dicsussion in on spin turn.
i still havent got a satisfiying answer from your end on my original post..

wheres jonathan..knock knock...

"guys. i dont understand how the dicsussion in on spin turn.
i still havent got a satisfiying answer from your end on my original post.."

I can think of several famous dancers who are originally from Australia, but not being familiar with things there cannot name anyone who is currently teaching there. Sorry.

Dance like many physical activities, does involve many physics principles. But it is more of a common sense physics, that we naturally learn in life or in our training for the activity. I don't think my physics minor helps me at all for ballroom dancing. Dances have different things like rock step, hesitation, fall etc that facilitate making major changes in direction of movement. You don't have to understand the physics behind it, you just have to know that those are points were major direction changes can occurred smoothly.

Studying physics and many other subjects, sharpens your problem solving skills and that is a plus for social dancing. Ability to quickly analyze situation on the dance floor and determine which moves can be done effectively is a plus.