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Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Anonymous
10/2/2006  6:30:00 AM
"Anonymous. It is as simple as this. Do you believe that the first step is a down step. Down is into the floor. Or do you believe it is along the floor with drive from an already lowered position."

It is not a "down step". However, if you consider that the first step begins when the moving foot passes the standing foot, then this is before the lowest point of the body's swing has been reached, so there is indeed some loss of altitude early in step one. The lowest point is going to be when your feet are furthest apart - that is simple geometry. And that point is formally contained within step 1 - though it might be more usefull to think of it as occuring between step 3 and step 1.

Further, everyone who dances that way - which with today's norms of dynamic dancing is everyone who is anyone - is going to use their knees to round out the trajectory, meaning they will be lower before and after their legs divide than they would be if they danced over straight legs. Dancers of 15 or more years ago did not did not move so much, did not drop so far into their leg division, and so did not have as much of this additional softening of the knees.

"Which brings us to commence to rise and turning at the end of the first step where swing comes into the picture after or during the second drive. Refer to Dynamic Balance in Dance Vision 4."

You will not learn the ultimate principles of dancing from a video tape. The simple reality is that the whole movement is a swing. You may prefer to think of the part after the first step as the swingiest part of the swing, since you start to feel the incline of the body there, but the whole thing, relatively flat base of the trajectory included, is swing.

As for the commencement of rise, formally that would be the foot rise that occurs as the new moving foot draws near to the standing foot at the end of step 1. Heel toe footwork means that the heel is already starting to rise by that formal end of the step. But visually, watching actual dancers, the upward trajectory begins earlier, from the moment the feet are furthest apart into step 1 - the knees soften as the body arrives over the newly placed foot, but not quite enough to keep the path level, instead there is a very slight upturn to the trajectory. (If a heel turn is to be lead, the knee is not allowed to soften so much, and that component of upward trajectory is more magnified)

As for the turn, that begins in the rotation of the body to an opposite side lead during the placement of step one. This is a change of body orientation, but not yet a turn - there is no change in trajectory across the floor. It becomes an actual turn only as the body reaches its peak of rise and begins to lower in a different direction. That is to say for figures making 3/8 turn. For the 1/4 turn figures and closed changes, the foot pressure out of step one has a sideays component that diverts the trajectory somewhat, off the inside edge of the foot.
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Quickstep
10/2/2006  5:43:00 PM
Anonymous. Lets start a new thread here called the first 123.
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by crazy
10/2/2006  11:59:00 PM
this is the most stupid conversation i have ever read!what's wrong guys?all you talk about is NONSENSE!everybody reads your topics and nobody understands what you're talking about!JUST GROW UP >
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Anonymous
10/3/2006  6:26:00 AM
"this is the most stupid conversation i have ever read!what's wrong guys?all you talk about is NONSENSE!everybody reads your topics and nobody understands what you're talking about!JUST GROW UP"

Well it's certain that you don't understand... but those of us participating in the discussion do understand exactly what we are talking about. And for some of us, precisely why it is critically important, because the difficultities caused by not getting it right stand out like a giant neon sign when we watch dancing.
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by crazy
10/4/2006  7:09:00 AM
"Well it's certain that you don't understand... but those of us participating in the discussion do understand exactly what we are talking about. And for some of us, precisely why it is critically important, because the difficultities caused by not getting it right stand out like a giant neon sign when we watch dancing."


ANONYMOUS, all you r trying 2 do in this discussion is to prove that you r the only pro in this matter.Well i think that my 14 years of ballroom dancing are enough for me to know what is that u're talking about.But just try 2 respect other dancer's opinion, and accept to share with them their knowledge so they can feel that u're not underestimating them!
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by crazy
10/4/2006  7:09:00 AM
"Well it's certain that you don't understand... but those of us participating in the discussion do understand exactly what we are talking about. And for some of us, precisely why it is critically important, because the difficultities caused by not getting it right stand out like a giant neon sign when we watch dancing."


ANONYMOUS, all you r trying 2 do in this discussion is to prove that you r the only pro in this matter.Well i think that my 14 years of ballroom dancing are enough for me to know what is that u're talking about.But just try 2 respect other dancer's opinion, and accept to share with them their knowledge so they can feel that u're not underestimating them!
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Anonymous
10/4/2006  9:32:00 AM
"ANONYMOUS, all you r trying 2 do in this discussion is to prove that you r the only pro in this matter.Well i think that my 14 years of ballroom dancing are enough for me to know what is that u're talking about.But just try 2 respect other dancer's opinion, and accept to share with them their knowledge so they can feel that u're not underestimating them!"

You can waste your time making this personal, or you can simply look at the fundamental details of good dancing and adopt them for your own. Even arguing over them is a far sight better than ignoring them and pretending they don't matter.

I actually admire the persistence of those who are arguing in favor of their misconceptions. Because to dance something without believing that it is optimal would be to admit that you were just goofing around with no determination to do your best. Misconceptions can be overcome; apathy cannot.
Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Anonymous
8/22/2006  4:19:00 PM
Hi everybody,
to be balanced one needs to be aware of his/her center of gravity which is directly linked to good posture. I am aware the center of gravity for men and lady is differnt due to differnt body structure. My question is where should i feel my center of gravity and which abdomen muscles do i need to tone. I'm 180 cms and slim built.
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Anonymous
8/22/2006  4:21:00 PM
well, are you androgynous in addition to anonymous?
Re: Good posture and center (center of gravity)
Posted by Anonymous
8/22/2006  8:54:00 PM
Anonymous. The name of the muscle to develope in Polatis is called the Pea muscles. Which I think explains itself.

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